Reply to: Are Indian IT Companies.....

[oracleslave]

I think you will find that the point he was making has sailed several feet over your head.

Whs

[expat]

I had a phone 'interview' with an indian outsourcer wanting someone to do some development work for them 3 years or so ago. It became apparent very quickly that they had no understanding of the technology they wanted to use. They offered me the role at a third of the market rate, told them it wasn't worth my while. It seemed as though they had won a bid for some work by undercutting everyone without having any clue about how to do the work.

And they think that is enough to make them a contracting agency? Oh, no, surely not?

[Gonzo]

Ahem!

I think you will find that the point he was making has sailed several feet over your head.

[GreenerGrass]

Ahem!

LOL! Nobody likes a pedantic twat.

[Gibbon]

maybe there able to provide worker's who are able to use apostrophe's and capital letter's correctly

You're not in a position to judge others when you can't even write English correctly.

Ahem!

[JoJoGabor]

I was working for a virtualisation company in the Summer that was looking to get bought out. THey were approached by an Indian company who had several meetings with the directors to find out about the business. They then (wrongly) thought that the support monkey who works there was the key to the business and knew all the client systems and technical details. THey then approached him to move over and bring all the documentation and talk the clients into moving over with him. This guy is Indian and told me he wouldn't work for an Indian company as he doesn't trust Indian executives - said they will always cheat!!

[NickFitz]

Correct - WHS

When at a well known Bank I became good friends with a TCS Oracle Bod [who was actually good at his job albeit slower] and he was telling me the industry tricks over their - from memory [and this was 2003]

- when they get interviewed they are on a conf call with MUTE
- if they cant do the above - there is another guy in another room on google or with 3 other of the "senior" people
- they will bid the lowest for projects as they know for a fact that they can throw in [back then] 15+ people for every one in the UK
- if they dont have the skills they dont have an issue in poaching from another Indian company - competition from the top 5 over their in India is fierce and generally techies can play each other off.

thats all I remember - but im sure theres others

that was my point - they may start in other areas but they will seldom get in a position where they dont have control.

maybe there able to provide worker's who are able to use apostrophe's and capital letter's correctly

You're not in a position to judge others when you can't even write English correctly.

[Liability]

Sorry, but I know differently. I can't name the company concerned (as they're getting rid of the current programming services company), but they've found an outfit based in Bucharest founded by an Indian enterprise.
If your argument was correct, none of us would ever need to use agents, as we would "get normal UK rates without an issue"!!! The reality is we need the contacts (and the endless networking/research/fishing) that the agents give us in order to get the work fairly quickly.
Incidentally, there may be a "mindset" with some Indian companies as you so eloquently put it, but plenty are quite astute and willing to take business opportunities, even if it doesn't "keep things with their own". But hey, let's see how it pans out. Proof will be in the pudding.

that was my point - they may start in other areas but they will seldom get in a position where they dont have control.

[MrMark]

sorry but this is nonsense. Primarily due to the mindset of the Indian companies and how they like to keep things with their own. EE would and can get normal UK rates without an issue...regardless of replacing it with "agents" or not.

Sorry, but I know differently. I can't name the company concerned (as they're getting rid of the current programming services company), but they've found an outfit based in Bucharest founded by an Indian enterprise.
If your argument was correct, none of us would ever need to use agents, as we would "get normal UK rates without an issue"!!! The reality is we need the contacts (and the endless networking/research/fishing) that the agents give us in order to get the work fairly quickly.
Incidentally, there may be a "mindset" with some Indian companies as you so eloquently put it, but plenty are quite astute and willing to take business opportunities, even if it doesn't "keep things with their own". But hey, let's see how it pans out. Proof will be in the pudding.

[Liability]

The Indians are actually ahead of the game. They've been recruiting heavily in places like Rumania and Poland to get smart techies on-board for relatively low wages. Watch a load more jobs get outsourced to EE. Have to say I admire their tactics even though it's more nails in our coffins.

sorry but this is nonsense. Primarily due to the mindset of the Indian companies and how they like to keep things with their own. EE would and can get normal UK rates without an issue...regardless of replacing it with "agents" or not.

[MrMark]

Why would Eastern Europeans work for crap money for Indians when they could just go direct to European owned companies or form their own?
I fail to see how the Indians are "adding value".

Substitute "Indians" for "agents" and it begins to make sense.

[TheFaQQer]

Indian Railways are just starting a big Oracle implementation (as I said last year). Quite fancy trying to "offshore" that one so that I can work over here on it

[GreenerGrass]

Why would Eastern Europeans work for crap money for Indians when they could just go direct to European owned companies or form their own?
I fail to see how the Indians are "adding value".

[MrMark]

What is all this stuff about visa restrictions for them? Are they cutting the numbers back?

The Indians are actually ahead of the game. They've been recruiting heavily in places like Rumania and Poland to get smart techies on-board for relatively low wages. Watch a load more jobs get outsourced to EE. Have to say I admire their tactics even though it's more nails in our coffins.

[minestrone]

What is all this stuff about visa restrictions for them? Are they cutting the numbers back?