Reply to: The final word on SKA

[minestrone]

A pity that he is not tied to low-level things like money and fame.

Looking at the site he is obviously not tied to high-level things like creating a useful search engine.

[threaded]

People who argue about the difference between job titles are the type who perpetuate the myth that this industry is filled with boring tits who watch Doctor Who on a Saturday night in their bedrooms.

In Denmark it's Wednesday nights.

[minestrone]

People who argue about the difference between job titles are the type who perpetuate the myth that this industry is filled with boring tits who watch Doctor Who on a Saturday night in their bedrooms.

[Ravello]

What I can't stand is his constant stream of non-news about it

Have to agree with that, the constant SKA News <placeholder> threads are irritating.

and his know-it-all attitude

Only room for one hey Sas?

[Francko]

Well clearly you learned something today.



I used to be a supporter of AtW's SKA and still admire him for trying.
What I can't stand is his constant stream of non-news about it and his know-it-all attitude

At the end of the day the only thing he did wrong was the timing. If he did the same 10 years ago he would have been stinking rich by now. And he could have done that 10 years ago. A pity that he is not tied to low-level things like money and fame.

[Churchill]

Well clearly you learned something today.

Yeah, and it wasn't from you. Don't flatter yourself.

[sasguru]

The day I need a lesson from you regarding software engineering will be a cold day in hell I can assure you!
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Well clearly you learned something today.

However, I'm sure you can teach me a few things about belittling others achievements! Particularly when you haven't got a clue about what they've achieved in the first place.

I used to be a supporter of AtW's SKA and still admire him for trying.
What I can't stand is his constant stream of non-news about it and his know-it-all attitude

[bogeyman]

I would suggest he went through some if not all of the following:-

Requirements Gathering and analysis
High Level Design
Development of prototypes
Purchasing of hardware
Low Level Design
Implementation(Development)
Component testing
Integration testing
Multiple deliveries
Bug fixing
Delivery of updated software to the field
Maintenance of a website to collate field reports and inform his volunteers of progress
Marketing of the various products developed during the project.

In my opinion one hell of an achievement! Even more so when you consider that he's done most of it single-handedly!

Probably he did - and good for him.

However, that ain't what is meant by Software Engineering.

[sasguru]

Obviously wasted on you.

As is mine on you.

[Churchill]

Most people on this board have done all these things at one stage or another.
Still doesn't make it software engineering.
Your point is?

Obviously wasted on you.

[sasguru]

Any software in any aircraft was written by 'programmers', de facto.

The difference is it was written within a framework of standards and quality processes devised by Software Engineers.

Indeed, that is a better distinction. I would say software engineering is more about the quantifying the reliability of critical systems, creating redundancy systems, statistical testing and issues of that nature rather than software development.

[DaveB]

I agree with CHurchill that AtW certainly has talent and has put a vast amount of time and effort into the project. The sad fact is that it is no-closer now to delivering meaningfull search results than it was back when I first heard about it.

[sasguru]

I would suggest he went through some if not all of the following:-

Requirements Gathering and analysis
High Level Design
Development of prototypes
Purchasing of hardware
Low Level Design
Implementation(Development)
Component testing
Integration testing
Multiple deliveries
Bug fixing
Delivery of updated software to the field
Maintenance of a website to collate field reports and inform his volunteers of progress
Marketing of the various products developed during the project.

In my opinion one hell of an achievement!

Most people on this board have done all these things at one stage or another.
Still doesn't make it software engineering.
Your point is?

[bogeyman]

And let me tell you you would not get into a plane whose software had been written by "programmers."

Any software in any aircraft was written by 'programmers', de facto.

The difference is it was written within a framework of standards and quality processes devised by Software Engineers.

[Churchill]

If you don't understand the difference, I guess you're into programming.
Look up the syllabus of a Software Engineering or Computer Systems Engineering degree as opposed to a Computer Science/Computing syllabus.

And let me tell you you would not get into a plane whose software had been written by "programmers."

The day I need a lesson from you regarding software engineering will be a cold day in hell I can assure you!

However, I'm sure you can teach me a few things about belittling others achievements! Particularly when you haven't got a clue about what they've achieved in the first place.