Reply to: Climate Change

[shaunbhoy]

Are people blind, stupid, gullible or all seven of these things?

We have just had almost 12 consecutive years of NL leadership. What do you think?

I wonder if it would be possible to find just one pro GW "expert" that was happy that he had all the findings he needed to confidently proclaim that man is the major cause of GW? I have no doubt that we could find many that will happily attest to the fact that much more investigation(i.e. taxpayer funding) is required. Bunch of quacks most of them. The really depressing thing is that they have the support of politicians that see it as a golden goose for taxation purposes. Cut back on all carbon emmissions..........but build a 3rd runway at Heathrow!!!
Cue sasguru with more selective stats and computer modelling codswallop!!

[DimPrawn]

Interesting graph from NOAA (genrally considered to be a bit pro-warming):
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...08natltemp.png
Interesting because you'll notice that up until 1985 the temperature trend was largely under average, and also to see the massive drop off we are experiencing currently.

The fact that we are basing our whole future on the temp over such a tiny timescale shows how flawed the whole Climate Change bollux is.

Most of that graph is flat a bit of warming in the last few years and now rapid cooling, and yet it is accepted knowledge that the world is heating up.

WTF?

Are people blind, stupid, gullible or all seven of these things?

[ace00]

Interesting graph from NOAA (genrally considered to be a bit pro-warming):
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...08natltemp.png
Interesting because you'll notice that up until 1985 the temperature trend was largely under average, and also to see the massive drop off we are experiencing currently.

[expat]

No, the whole basis of C02 increase is "The Greenhouse Effect". Are greenhouses hotter inside or colder? Deary me.

The "Greenhouse Effect" is not really how greenhouses work.

The "Greenhouse Effict" is when IR radiation passes through a barrier that is more or less transparent to it (like glass, or the Earth's atmosphere), and is absorbed by matter on the other side (like earth), then this energy is re-radiated but in the form of IR of a longer wavelength, to which the surrounding barrier is opaque: thus the energy does not escape. It goes in but it does not come back out again.

This effect really does happen, both in a green house and in the Earth; but in the case of a greenhouse it happens not to be the main reason why a greenhouse works: the main reason is the shelter from wind that it provides.

I just thought you'd like to know that

[ace00]

When we breathe out we expel carbon dioxide if I remember correctly. Most governments now want to introduce taxation to penalise the production of this gas. Essentially we are being stealthily taxed for breathing. Which I suspect was the real aim of politicians all along!!

You will be fitted with a meter. It's only small and everyone's getting one (apart from politicians of course. And the police. And the public sector) so it's only fair. You will accept it eventually. Anyone who does not accept will be inspected and interred without charge as a terrorism prevention measure.

New Labour - It's only fair.

[d000hg]

No, the whole basis of C02 increase is "The Greenhouse Effect". Are greenhouses hotter inside or colder? Deary me.

The greenhouse in your garden is a simple glass box full of trapped air which traps heat. Hardly scientific to use this as a model for the whole worlld, it's the most complex analogy they could get away with for school children & Sun readers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_i...tic_ice_growth

The ice is back and thicker than ever.

For one year or several? Got a graph over several years?

[DimPrawn]

When we breathe out we expel carbon dioxide if I remember correctly. Most governments now want to introduce taxation to penalise the production of this gas. Essentially we are being stealthily taxed for breathing. Which I suspect was the real aim of politicians all along!!

If it stops sasguru, it was worth it.

[shaunbhoy]

When we breathe out we expel carbon dioxide if I remember correctly. Most governments now want to introduce taxation to penalise the production of this gas. Essentially we are being stealthily taxed for breathing. Which I suspect was the real aim of politicians all along!!

[FSM with Cheddar]

Luckily we didn't listen and it's been bloody freezing globally.

Didn't I just say stop talking about it?

And that includes me.

Who's still talking.

Wait that's me.

Shhhh

[OwlHoot]

I notice you have a new .sig there, Prawn

[DimPrawn]

Bigoted views

P.S Can we shut up already about climate change. There are too many bigoted views, which will never change. Why don't we talk about the weather instead. Wait No....

The warnings about global warming have been extremely clear for a long time. We are facing a global climate crisis. It is deepening. We are entering a period of consequences.

AL GORE, speech at National Sierra Club Convention, Sept. 9, 2005

The good news is we know what to do. The good news is, we have everything we need now to respond to the challenge of global warming. We have all the technologies we need, more are being developed, and as they become available and become more affordable when produced in scale, they will make it easier to respond. But we should not wait, we cannot wait, we must not wait.

AL GORE, speech at National Sierra Club Convention, Sept. 9, 2005


Luckily we didn't listen and it's been bloody freezing globally.

[FSM with Cheddar]

Yes which is why I believe the planet is overpopulated with Homo-Sapiens

Earth needs a Human population hovering around 3-4billion, not 6billion.

99% of all species that ever existed are extinct.

Natural selection will deal with us in exactly the same way as the rest.

P.S Can we shut up already about climate change. There are too many bigoted views, which will never change. Why don't we talk about the weather instead. Wait No....

[DimPrawn]

Saying "more CO2 has to increase temperature" is too simplistic, there are many models suggesting it can cause the opposite and I'm sure some are at least scientifically sound. Isn't the problem that most models need lots of assumptions about stuff that can't be measured, if these values change slightly the model predictions change a lot?

Anyway, isn't it measurable that polar ice is disappearing? Fine maybe that's natural, but in that case isn't it proof temperatures are rising? I don't think you put a good argument against GW/CT if you try to disprove every single claim about it.

No, the whole basis of C02 increase is "The Greenhouse Effect". Are greenhouses hotter inside or colder? Deary me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_i...tic_ice_growth

The ice is back and thicker than ever.

Where have you been? Still watcing Al Gores outdated pack of lies.

[d000hg]

Saying "more CO2 has to increase temperature" is too simplistic, there are many models suggesting it can cause the opposite and I'm sure some are at least scientifically sound. Isn't the problem that most models need lots of assumptions about stuff that can't be measured, if these values change slightly the model predictions change a lot?

Anyway, isn't it measurable that polar ice is disappearing? Fine maybe that's natural, but in that case isn't it proof temperatures are rising? I don't think you put a good argument against GW/CT if you try to disprove every single claim about it.

[Solidec]

Climate change is a problem of human population, not specifically CO2.

Yes which is why I believe the planet is overpopulated with Homo-Sapiens

Earth needs a Human population hovering around 3-4billion, not 6billion.