IT decisions "will be made offshore"

[threaded]

First we sent manufacturing overseas.
Then food production.
Then we sent software.
Now management.

In the end, all that will be left is a nation of shopkeepers and a sea of unemployed.

No, there won't be that many shops, they'll just be in the places tourists go. Mainly it'll be markets. But by then the population will have been reduced by emigration, disease and malnutrition so not so bad. Building materials will be cheap as there will be lots of ruins to pick over, although the concrete edifices in city centers will be quite dangerous until all the metal has been removed and they are just piles of rubble.

[The Late, Great JC]

First we sent manufacturing overseas.
Then food production.
Then we sent software.
Now management.

In the end, all that will be left is a nation of shopkeepers and a sea of unemployed.

Just think about all the extra leisure time we'll have!

[TwoWolves]

First we sent manufacturing overseas.
Then food production.
Then we sent software.
Now management.

In the end, all that will be left is a nation of shopkeepers and a sea of unemployed.

[expat]

The main problem with outsourcing is that you have no control over the employees you get: some are good, many are crap. So the UK company I worked with decided to set up an office in Bangalore, and interview and hire only competent programmers.
Leif

Surely if you need control over the employees, you hire bums on seats. If you outsource, you specify (and manage) the result: it's somebody else's job to achieve it, yours to verify it. And if you can't do that, you fire yourself for incompetence.

[Fungus]

What's going to be next? Let's outsource everything and leave off people work.

http://www.cw360.co.uk/Articles/2005/09/26/212021/ITdecisions'willbemadeoffshore'.htm

Now there's a surprise, outsourcers blowing their own trumpet. And what a surprise that they want to wrap their hands round your private parts.

The last company I was with did a lot of outsourcing with 3 Indian companies. Two were crap: it took so much management shenanigans and so many documents needed to be written that it was cheaper and quicker to do the work in house. I know that because we did pay them lots for one project, then canned the deal, and did it ourselves. One Indian company was quite good. They also agreed to work on a share of future earnings basis. In the long run they made a mint.

The main problem with outsourcing is that you have no control over the employees you get: some are good, many are crap. So the UK company I worked with decided to set up an office in Bangalore, and interview and hire only competent programmers.

You also have little control over security, esp. in finance. The whole point of London is the sense of integrity.

Leif

[datestamp]

This is one maor flaw in outsourcing. Sure, let's give the Indians the dumb jobs and increase our profits, we retain control. Problem is, the Indians are anything but dumb and they are acquiring expertise. Get them testing that aircraft software or making minor components or today, tomorrow they are making aircraft.

I was saying this years ago. What took you all so long to catch up?

[The Lone Gunman]

(which is practically the one thing left holding the UK together financially)

Once these institutions realise how much they could save (and consequently make) by setting up offshore they will go. Taking the stability/strength of the currency with them.

We are nearly there Gordon, one last push........

[OwlHoot]

This is one maor flaw in outsourcing. Sure, let's give the Indians the dumb jobs and increase our profits, we retain control. Problem is, the Indians are anything but dumb and they are acquiring expertise. Get them testing that aircraft software or making minor components or today, tomorrow they are making aircraft.

Yup, and it's the same with finance. If I ran an Indian bank, for example, I'd secretly bankroll a startup IT company, give it work with my own bank to establish some expertise and a track record, and then offer to take on work for Western banks and building societies at ridiculously low rates.

That way I'd end up acquiring an in depth knowledge of the banking business(which is practically the one thing left holding the UK together financially), from multiple sources, and start competing with the City of London and New York etc at their own game.

[The Lone Gunman]

What I cant understand in all this (well one of the things) is that when the Govt. reports giving a contract to an offshoring company it never seems to be that much cheaper!

When you consider the lost tax revenue they are giving away I am sure some of these offshored projects work out more expensive to the UK than doing them in the UK.

Just how many jobs does Gordon think there are at the higher value end of the market? They are higher value because they are rarer skills and they are rarer skills because they are difficult or time consuming to learn. Does he think we and all the real workers in the UK are choosing to stay at our current level of income when so much is available with a little extra effort?

They are sending this country to hell in a hand cart!

[xoggoth]

This is one maor flaw in outsourcing. Sure, let's give the Indians the dumb jobs and increase our profits, we retain control. Problem is, the Indians are anything but dumb and they are acquiring expertise. Get them testing that aircraft software or making minor components or today, tomorrow they are making aircraft.

[Francko]

What's going to be next? Let's outsource everything and leave off people work.

http://www.cw360.co.uk/Articles/2005/09/26/212021/ITdecisions'willbemadeoffshore'.htm

IT Management
Outsourcing
IT decisions 'will be made offshore'
by Bill Goodwin
Monday 26 September 2005
Businesses will outsource a growing proportion of their IT management decisions to offshore suppliers, the trade body for Indian suppliers has predicted.

The National Association of Software and Service Companies said businesses were increasingly delegating management decisions about their IT to offshore specialists as IT...

Article Continues Below... outsourcing "moves up the value chain".

"The industry has matured significantly in the last decade. From single jobs that used to be outsourced, we are seeing an increasing trend for whole programmes to be outsourced to India," said Rajeeve Sawhney, convenor of Nasscom's UK chapter.

Businesses were beginning to ask offshore suppliers to solve business problems, he said.

The trend could have profound implications for IT professionals in the UK, putting them under pressure to develop higher-value business and managerial skills in addition to technical skills.

American companies are leading the way, but Nasscom predicts British companies will follow.

Sawhney said Indian offshore companies had tightened their grip on security after criminals were exposed touting personal information about UK citizens gleaned from Indian call centre IT systems earlier this year.