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  • KentPhilip
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    Originally posted by NickFitz View Post
    Microsoft's problem is that it has never really "got" the Internet, and rather than adapting its business model in the face of it, it tried to coerce the Internet into fitting into Microsoft's business model. For an example of this thinking, see this email from Bill Gates in December 1996 (PDF):
    One thing we have got to change in our strategy — allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other peoples browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company.

    We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities.

    Given competition from a set of technologies built around open standards, Microsoft attempted to enforce proprietary lock-in. They failed. (This also explains why Office produces such appallingly malformed HTML - it's deliberate.)

    Not so long ago there was another company that was the biggest computer company in the world, but had failed to realise that it had to adapt in the face of a new, disruptive technology - a technology that completely changed the way its world worked.

    That company was IBM. In 1982 it was Big Blue, and people would have laughed at you if you had suggested it might ever lose its pre-eminence. Ten years later it was reporting a loss on the year of over $10 billion, and it seemed very likely that it would go to the wall. IBM was only saved by Lou Gerstner's drastic action in completely reversing the company's strategy, switching its direction from being predominantly a systems manufacturer to being a service provider.

    There are some signs that Microsoft is finally realising that it needs to change drastically if it is to continue to succeed in the future. However, the current tinkering around by senior management isn't enough: Microsoft needs fundamental change. The fact is that Microsoft could survive on its cash reserves for at least ten years without a single successful product; but it can't survive forever without adapting, any more than IBM could have done.

    One sometimes hears people say "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft." Twenty-five years ago, the saying was "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." That's something worth considering if you believe Microsoft will always be there.
    exactly
    Last edited by KentPhilip; 31 December 2008, 03:01.

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  • NickFitz
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    Originally posted by juststarting View Post
    I have always thought Microsoft will be company that will take over the internet and then the Earth and then the space. Now , Goggle is much more likely to take this position. Microsoft is done business. We all know it. And we rather have someone else. Apparently few companies survive over the long term ( Coca - Cola ) . Or maybe 30 years in IT is like 300 years in other businesses.

    I am no employee of Google , but they are the good guy now. We turn to them when we need help. They give us those new apps. Hell yeah , gmail is 10 times better than all the rest email apps out there.

    Microsoft is doomed over the long term. Sorry Steve.
    Microsoft's problem is that it has never really "got" the Internet, and rather than adapting its business model in the face of it, it tried to coerce the Internet into fitting into Microsoft's business model. For an example of this thinking, see this email from Bill Gates in December 1996 (PDF):
    One thing we have got to change in our strategy — allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other peoples browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company.

    We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depends on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities.

    Given competition from a set of technologies built around open standards, Microsoft attempted to enforce proprietary lock-in. They failed. (This also explains why Office produces such appallingly malformed HTML - it's deliberate.)

    Not so long ago there was another company that was the biggest computer company in the world, but had failed to realise that it had to adapt in the face of a new, disruptive technology - a technology that completely changed the way its world worked.

    That company was IBM. In 1982 it was Big Blue, and people would have laughed at you if you had suggested it might ever lose its pre-eminence. Ten years later it was reporting a loss on the year of over $10 billion, and it seemed very likely that it would go to the wall. IBM was only saved by Lou Gerstner's drastic action in completely reversing the company's strategy, switching its direction from being predominantly a systems manufacturer to being a service provider.

    There are some signs that Microsoft is finally realising that it needs to change drastically if it is to continue to succeed in the future. However, the current tinkering around by senior management isn't enough: Microsoft needs fundamental change. The fact is that Microsoft could survive on its cash reserves for at least ten years without a single successful product; but it can't survive forever without adapting, any more than IBM could have done.

    One sometimes hears people say "Nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft." Twenty-five years ago, the saying was "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM." That's something worth considering if you believe Microsoft will always be there.

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  • juststarting
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    Originally posted by London75 View Post
    True but SQL Server (in fact any database as Oracle in a virtual HP UNIX partition is a tulip as well) in a VM is almost a profession in itself as there are numerous design considerations, performance optimisations and options to tweak the install. If you were on a search engine that much it just soudns like something was fundamentally wrong with the approach.

    My beef was more that Google is just a search engine. The answers come from millions of experts worldwide who probably aren't paid for the advice and just do it for the love of geekery.
    It is all cool.

    Microsoft servers have been my wife for the last 8 years. I guess I got sick of her .

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  • London75
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    Originally posted by juststarting View Post
    When was the last time you troubleshot something and did not consult google ? Yeah I don't remember either.
    True but SQL Server (in fact any database as Oracle in a virtual HP UNIX partition is a tulip as well) in a VM is almost a profession in itself as there are numerous design considerations, performance optimisations and options to tweak the install. If you were on a search engine that much it just sounds like something was fundamentally wrong with the approach.

    My beef was more that Google is just a search engine. The answers come from millions of experts worldwide who probably aren't paid for the advice and just do it for the love of geekery.
    Last edited by London75; 30 December 2008, 20:33.

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  • juststarting
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    Originally posted by London75 View Post
    Sorry to be a Microsoft defender but are you qualified for this installation as it sounds like you're learning as you go along in which case, of course the posts made by others on the web will help you.

    I'd like to stress, all Google did was find the expert advice made by clever people and qualified professionals and present it to you. They didn't answer one single question you had. DBAs and Windows Server Admins probably did.

    Let's not give Google all the credit hey?
    When was the last time you troubleshot something and did not consult google ? Yeah I don't remember either.

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  • London75
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    Sorry to be a Microsoft defender but are you qualified for this installation as it sounds like you're learning as you go along in which case, of course the posts made by others on the web will help you.

    I'd like to stress, all Google did was find the expert advice made by clever people and qualified professionals and present it to you. They didn't answer one single question you had. DBAs and Windows Server Admins probably did.

    Let's not give Google all the credit hey?

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by juststarting View Post
    Microsoft is doomed over the long term.

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  • juststarting
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    Originally posted by KentPhilip View Post
    1. Is the windows virtual machine on the network? Then just connect to it from client components on an external machine.

    2. Try installing client tools before installing SQL Server

    3. Try a copy of the binn folder - might work

    4. Have you got another virtual machine with SQL already installed on it? If so copy an image across to the new server (dirty but might do it).

    5. Get on your knees and apologise to the server for mentioning google. And accept that it is your role in life is to test for Microsoft. Thought crime is a crime you know, and can be detected by SQL Server 2005.

    I have always thought Microsoft will be company that will take over the internet and then the Earth and then the space. Now , Goggle is much more likely to take this position. Microsoft is done business. We all know it. And we rather have someone else. Apparently few companies survive over the long term ( Coca - Cola ) . Or maybe 30 years in IT is like 300 years in other businesses.

    I am no employee of Google , but they are the good guy now. We turn to them when we need help. They give us those new apps. Hell yeah , gmail is 10 times better than all the rest email apps out there.

    Microsoft is doomed over the long term. Sorry Steve.

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  • KentPhilip
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    Originally posted by juststarting View Post
    You would think it be a quick one wouldn't you ? Well there I am , with all the experience and all , trying to install a VM with SQL 2005 .. taking 4 days now..

    0. Installed a Widows 03 VM.

    1. Tried installing SQL from my archive sources... all installs besides workstations components which throws an error.
    ...
    Now that is why I hate IT and the way Microsoft uses the world for debugging purposes. GO GOOGLE !
    1. Is the windows virtual machine on the network? Then just connect to it from client components on an external machine.

    2. Try installing client tools before installing SQL Server

    3. Try a copy of the binn folder - might work

    4. Have you got another virtual machine with SQL already installed on it? If so copy an image across to the new server (dirty but might do it).

    5. Get on your knees and apologise to the server for mentioning google. And accept that it is your role in life is to test for Microsoft. Thought crime is a crime you know, and can be detected by SQL Server 2005.

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  • TheVoice
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    This sounds much like my week so far...a Microsoft (mainly!) nightmare. You'd think virtualising a small environment for a client would be a piece of cake - wrong!

    Friday:
    Spent installing Exchange 2007...even after the stated pre-req's were installed, the perpetual nagging from the "pre-setup tests" that "you need this update too" got me down & eventually left it installing & finished the job on the drive home via 3G & RDP!

    Monday:
    ISA Server! This installed fine until we put the clients webfilter on! It said it takes 60 meg of disk space, fine, got 5 gig free. Install it, server slows to a crawl & turns out the software is now downloading 4 gig of what it claims to be a filtering database. Cue lots of frantic service console action as I try to extend the disk....Another fine mess!

    Today:
    Coffee!

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  • minestrone
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post


    Only if your app shows up civilian targets in Israel within effective Kassam radius
    Israel will have it's own partition of the application so one million a day is actually a conservative estimate.

    Bring on the google ad revenue.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    We expect the usage will go from zero to about a million hits a day


    Only if your app shows up civilian targets in Israel within effective Kassam radius

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  • minestrone
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    I am looking at using the EC2 for plan B, in fact I was just going to attempt to get my first AMI running in the next couple of days, I have installed g-eclipse, got my logon and picked my AMI. See how it goes.

    We expect the usage will go from zero to about a million hits a day ( hopefully ) then we will move to a physical server but the ability to move up the hosting plans during the volume rise will be massive for us.

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  • minestrone
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    Originally posted by OwlHoot View Post
    I've heard PostgreSQL is more sound than MySQL "under the hood", as it uses some abstract object layer, whereas with MySQL they simply pile in more and more functionality and then jump up and down on the lid to shut it prior to each new release!

    I also know, from personal experience, that MySQL is more likely to throw a wobbler and become corrupted under high loads (or was three years ago) [see first paragraph]

    I think it has improved vastly in the last couple of years. It did not even do nested queries until about 3 years ago. SUN buying it has been a big step up for them.

    I was always told PostgreSQL was a quality product but I thought it was a bag of tulip when I used it.

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  • NickFitz
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    Originally posted by juststarting View Post
    Amazing indeed. I take it I can have my own Windows network? With the ability to set up Domain Controllers, etc. I am gonna be loading Sharepoint and that needs Windows infrastructure with several servers that talk to each other on windows intranet tcp ports.
    I haven't used the Windows AMIs, but the tenth response in this thread on the EC2 forums suggests that you can build a network with a bit of messing around

    One of the available Windows Amazon Public Images probably offers a good starting point.

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