Reply to: Climate change summit to change climate

[ace00]

It does not even matter if CO2 causes climate change - driving 6L engine inefficient too heavy cars that results in sending of hundreds of billions of dollars to backwards regimes is insane policy that should have been stopped 30 years ago - as soon as OPEC was formed the West should have started getting rid of dependency on oil.

It does matter as who do you think will pay for the various carbon reduction policies? Further, who do you think pays for the lost global productivity or bs policies like ethanol gasoline?
I agree on the oil industry, totally corrupt and funding lots of nasty people, not just in the m/e, but why involve this CO2 based fairy tale?

[Purple Dalek]

The environmentalists would have you believe the earth has warmed dramatically recently but the ski slopes are opening the earliest for 10 years.

[gingerjedi]

It does not even matter if CO2 causes climate change - driving 6L engine inefficient too heavy cars that results in sending of hundreds of billions of dollars to backwards regimes is insane policy that should have been stopped 30 years ago - as soon as OPEC was formed the West should have started getting rid of dependency on oil.

That is something the Europeans realised a long time ago, the septics answer was to keep the 6 litre but restrict it and impose a 55 mph speed limit.

[TimberWolf]

My oil trader mate says oil will never run out, it will get more expensive though.... much more expensive.

It's not a case of it running out its just getting harder and more expensive to get at.

It doesn't have to run out, which as you say it will never happen. Demand just has to exceed supply before the fun starts, and that could be soon.

[gingerjedi]

Won't that be fixed when all the oil runs out?

My oil trader mate says oil will never run out, it will get more expensive though.... much more expensive.

It's not a case of it running out its just getting harder and more expensive to get at.

[AtW]

The earth has been warming up since the last ice age, that's a no brainer.

Last ice age - begun 110,000 years ago and ended around 10-15000 BP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_glaciation

That's pretty long periods of time. Climate has changed pretty visibly in the last 30-50 years, "coinciding" with heavy human activity that this planet has never known.

It does not even matter if CO2 causes climate change - driving 6L engine inefficient too heavy cars that results in sending of hundreds of billions of dollars to backwards regimes is insane policy that should have been stopped 30 years ago - as soon as OPEC was formed the West should have started getting rid of dependency on oil.

[lambrini_socialist]

meh, this topic has been done to death. bunch of cranks. if you were american you'd probably be banging on about the six-day creation, too.

[Purple Dalek]

What's not bollox is that the Earth is warming up. It can be argued which part of this is caused by human behavior (CO2) and which by heating up Sun, however I'd rather not take chances and try to reduce CO2 and also it would help reduce reliance on backwards countries that get a lot of money that they then proceed to spend to bite the hand that feeds them.

The earth has been warming up since the last ice age, that's a no brainer. There aren't any glaciers left covering england. Maybe it was them cavemen with their Humvees that put paid to them hey? It has been shown that most results presented by the environmentalists have no scientific basis as when investigated are shown to be based on faked data.

Increased levels of CO2 cause an increase in biomass which then drops CO2. That's a fact.

[AtW]

One of these positions is bollox, yet the environmentalists hold both positions.

What's not bollox is that the Earth is warming up. It can be argued which part of this is caused by human behavior (CO2) and which by heating up Sun, however I'd rather not take chances and try to reduce CO2 and also it would help reduce reliance on backwards countries that get a lot of money that they then proceed to spend to bite the hand that feeds them.

[Purple Dalek]

Oil is rather like chrome in the 1950s, they said the earth would run out of chrome in 10 years or some such nonsense. Well, I still see plenty of things that are chromed.

The same will happen with oil.

On one hand they say the oil is going to run out soon, and on the other hand they say that if we keep warming the earth up all the methane hydrates will boil off and we'll die horribly in a global fireball. So there're not enough hydrocarbons they're running out, but on the other hand there's enough to fill the atmosphere to sufficient levels to allow a sustained combustion.

One of these positions is bollox, yet the environmentalists hold both positions.

[AtW]

We'll use-up the remaining dribbles to propel tanks and ships and ...

Oil rigs will be prime targets and big tankers are indefensible - even pirates can take them now, what do you think will happen if cruise missiles are involved and subs?

[Bob Dalek]

There is still enough oil for 30-40 years.

I disagree!!!!

When we get to 20 years away i.e. 10 years left, then THAT'S when international war takes place. We'll use-up the remaining dribbles to propel tanks and ships and ...

[AtW]

Won't that be fixed when all the oil runs out?

There is still enough oil for 30-40 years.

[Jog On]

The real issue is with hundreds of millions inefficient cars driving every day.

Won't that be fixed when all the oil runs out?

[AtW]

Ouch - that's got to be a lot of air-miles. Lot of hot air too.

Their actions (meeting probably once a year or so) might offset their own personal small damage. The delegates might contribute 0.00000001% to the global warning but might help cut it by 20-30%.

The real issue is with hundreds of millions inefficient cars driving every day.