The killers names are on the internet.
Shouldn't we publish their names and addresses on here?
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostIt is likely that the mother and both men were themselves abused as children and thus part of an unbreakable circle of degradation and violence.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo why do we pay so much for welfare?
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Originally posted by EternalOptimist View PostYou know well enough that I hate all the evils of the welfare state as much as you do. I was just wondering if it churns out more criminals, or less.
You say more, I'm not sure
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostSo why do we pay tax for welfare when it makes not the slightest diffence to poverty and crime?
You say more, I'm not sure
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Originally posted by Cyberman View PostIt is NOT a general rule. Yes it is. The authorities specifically went to court to shut this woman up. Yes. The child is DEAD Yes and all evidence should now be gathered to weed out any incompetent people and sack them. Yes. Or more. Of course HMG do not want this because they have much to hide. Yes.
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Originally posted by EternalOptimist View PostIf we have 100k of these criminals/potential criminals now, how many would there be if there were no free houses for young single mums and much less welfare. more ? or less ?
what do you think ?
Last edited by DodgyAgent; 17 November 2008, 14:58.
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Originally posted by expat View PostOh get a grip.
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Secrecy is in general automatic in family law and child protection. This general principle applies from the start, in order to ensure that children's identity etc are not divulged, for their protection.
It is a general rule, not an ad hoc action in one case.
It is NOT a general rule. The authorities specifically went to court to shut this woman up. The child is DEAD and all evidence should now be gathered to weed out any incompetent people and sack them. Of course HMG do not want this because they have much to hide.
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Originally posted by Bagpuss View PostHe was talking about evil people, fiddling the dole and a bit of shoplifting or joyriding is not evil in my book.
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Originally posted by Cyberman View PostWhat is the point of protecting a child that is DEAD !!! This is to protect HMG, and it's just a shame that too many people are just too stupid to realise this.
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Secrecy is in general automatic in family law and child protection. This general principle applies from the start, in order to ensure that children's identity etc are not divulged, for their protection.
It is a general rule, not an ad hoc action in one case.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostLook at evidence then. What do you think a survey of criminals would throw up? would they be mostly privatly educated middle classes at the one end or would they be the products of single parent, council house, welfare recipients?
what do you think?
A lot of new crimes have been created in the last ten years under the banners of anti-social behaviour & terrorism which criminalises behaviour which would have previously been accepted.
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Originally posted by Bagpuss View PostVictorian England, no Welfare, but copious amounts of violent crime and debauchery. Then take the most notorious serial killers of recent times, none on state benefits that I can recall, either working or middle class.
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostLook at evidence then. What do you think a survey of criminals would throw up? would they be mostly privatly educated middle classes at the one end or would they be the products of single parent, council house, welfare recipients?
what do you think?
what do you think ?
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostMy view is that it is the state that creates most of the evil people and most certainly the criminal and anti social elements of society.
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