Reply to: UK's £12.7 billion NHS scheme in trouble

[Liability]

You wouldn't. CfH are the biggest bunch of self serving freeloaders I've ever had the misfortune to work with. And I've worth with lawyers!

some how I can beleive you!

[Epiphone]

I just wish I had a contact in CfH and join them - Id seriously kick the vendor asses I feel THAT strongly about it.

You wouldn't. CfH are the biggest bunch of self serving freeloaders I've ever had the misfortune to work with. And I've worth with lawyers!

[Pondlife]

hmmm I've worked with this lady before.

She won't tolerate fools gladly

[Peoplesoft bloke]

I.......

Personally I think the only solution is the wholesale abolition of managers who have little or no formal training or experience in the sector in which they work. That would mean techies running software projects, teachers running schools, nurses running nursing homes, doctors running hospitals and engineers running factories instead of halfwit ‘International Marketing Management’ graduates who think their MBA gives them a license to fook up any sector they choose to ‘work’ in. Which only leaves us with the question of who we trust to run the banks.

My ex-wife left the public sector to do an MBA - and based on that I couldn't agree with you more

[Liability]

It’s modern management and it’s not unique to our profession. Believe it or not, I know bank employees who’ve been trying to tell their marketing oriented bosses for years that debt derivatives were a big pyramid scheme. My girlfriend is a nurse who has seen the shocking fall in hygiene standards after halfwits with MBAs outsourced the cleaners trying to save money, and as soon as she became head of nursing sent the outsourced cleaners home and hired her own, reporting to her. Brilliant, she goes around doing the matron thing and finding specks of dust they’ve missed; no more bed infections.

I know teachers who have a passion for their subject but are completely disillusioned with bloody national curriculums, key performance indicators and idiot school ‘directors’ replacing head teachers.

Policemen who have to hand out enough fines for measly offences each day to meet their quota instead of giving people an educational ‘talking to’, which they know would work better.

Personally I think the only solution is the wholesale abolition of managers who have little or no formal training or experience in the sector in which they work. That would mean techies running software projects, teachers running schools, nurses running nursing homes, doctors running hospitals and engineers running factories instead of halfwit ‘International Marketing Management’ graduates who think their MBA gives them a license to fook up any sector they choose to ‘work’ in. Which only leaves us with the question of who we trust to run the banks.

Agree - CTO's are also a load of crap generally! In fact majority at the top are tulipe! Let's start a Revolution! We Need Change!

[Mich the Tester]

It’s modern management and it’s not unique to our profession. Believe it or not, I know bank employees who’ve been trying to tell their marketing oriented bosses for years that debt derivatives were a big pyramid scheme. My girlfriend is a nurse who has seen the shocking fall in hygiene standards after halfwits with MBAs outsourced the cleaners trying to save money, and as soon as she became head of nursing sent the outsourced cleaners home and hired her own, reporting to her. Brilliant, she goes around doing the matron thing and finding specks of dust they’ve missed; no more bed infections.

I know teachers who have a passion for their subject but are completely disillusioned with bloody national curriculums, key performance indicators and idiot school ‘directors’ replacing head teachers.

Policemen who have to hand out enough fines for measly offences each day to meet their quota instead of giving people an educational ‘talking to’, which they know would work better.

Personally I think the only solution is the wholesale abolition of managers who have little or no formal training or experience in the sector in which they work. That would mean techies running software projects, teachers running schools, nurses running nursing homes, doctors running hospitals and engineers running factories instead of halfwit ‘International Marketing Management’ graduates who think their MBA gives them a license to fook up any sector they choose to ‘work’ in. Which only leaves us with the question of who we trust to run the banks.

[Xenophon]

Xenophon - Not at all mate - Ive worked on some of the largest for over 10 years so TOTALLY understand Politics, SI failure, and disregard for what is RIGHT - but this beast is something else - you have to be there to witness it - and then realise - "so my data is in their hands?"

'beast' - sounds scary...

[Liability]

Yes, as I thought. ‘CMM level 5’, ISO 9000 and TMap monkeys who couldn’t test a bloody birthday calendar with 3 of the months missing?

Yep

Won't even touch Service! You'd all laugh your asses off!

[Mich the Tester]

tulip and offshore useless idiots. Dont get me started mate.

Yes, as I thought. ‘CMM level 5’, ISO 9000 and TMap monkeys who couldn’t test a bloody birthday calendar with 3 of the months missing?

[basshead]

If I was to tell you that there is about as much FUNCTIONING HA/DR on the critical care setting solutions as there is in my pants - you wouldnt be surprised.

I don't want to think about disaster recovery in your pants, but I'm forced to. What kind of disasters might they be? How could you hope to implement failover? And high availability would require Viagra or similar

[Liability]

Welcome to large projects, Liability.

Xenophon - Not at all mate - Ive worked on some of the largest for over 10 years so TOTALLY understand Politics, SI failure, and disregard for what is RIGHT - but this beast is something else - you have to be there to witness it - and then realise - "so my data is in their hands?"

[Xenophon]

Welcome to large projects, Liability.

[Liability]

How many testers are there on this particular gravy train? Are they well paid?

tulip and offshore useless idiots. Dont get me started mate.

[Liability]

If I was to tell you some of the stuff that isn't in place and the total disregard for Governance on this Project youd be shocked. If I was to tell you that there is about as much FUNCTIONING HA/DR on the critical care setting solutions as there is in my pants - you wouldnt be surprised.

My parting note to a senior member on this programme was very clear and not the best on a one-2-one but I took this contract for moral reasons and sadly the players at the top took it for there £1500 a day rates.

Testing? Oh don't you dare get me started. Co-exsitence, Regression, you name it - they all would think it was something to do with the fall of Berlin Wall.

Just do a search for Royal Free Hospital and that should answer your questions on how incompetent people on this programme are.

I just wish I had a contact in CfH and join them - Id seriously kick the vendor asses I feel THAT strongly about it. Totaly disgust and one of the only contracts I have ever worked where Ive felt this strongly about it - guess because it is all OUR money that these bastards are wasting.

[Mich the Tester]

In fairness, almost all private organisations I've worked for/in/with have the same issues in some form - politics and egos take precedence over common sense.

True, especially in banks, as has become obvious in the last few months. Scum rises to the top and promotes it's favourite scum to the middle, who then fire the anti-scum techies who might threaten their inexorable rise to the top of the corporate scum pyramid by pointing out technical flaws, faulty plans or great big blindingly obvious bugs that will cost millions even before the system goes live.