Reply to: Hedge Funds lose £24bn as VW shares take off

[NickFitz]

its time to short sell uk government debt. UK goivt debt is already at post-WWII levels
failed state !

What on Earth are you wittering on about? You can't type, you can't spell (although that might be a side-effect of the typing issue) and you can neither punctuate nor capitalise in a competent manner.

failed sappatz! (as you would presumably put it).

Get a grip. This might be a place to start

[sappatz]

Uk

its time to short sell uk government debt. UK goivt debt is already at post-WWII levels
failed state !

[EternalOptimist]

snigger

who's up for this.
We leave a message on AtW's answer machine telling him that we screwed his grandsquirrel

snigger

[sasguru]

Now I am off to meet lawyers.

Now I am off to meet lawyers who are defending me on squirrel molestation charges.

[HairyArsedBloke]

I'd like to be able to say that I earned my millions with honest work

I tried to say that once: everyone just laughed.

[Churchill]

I'd like to be able to say that I earned my millions with honest work, making this kind of money this way is not easy. In any case I think it's irrelevant matter to current discussion, especially given how wrong those rich people are in making economic decisions with subprime debt, hedge funds etc.

Now I am off to meet squirrels!

Shirley?

[AtW]

If you know everything how come you're not a multi-millionaire?

I'd like to be able to say that I earned my millions with honest work, making this kind of money this way is not easy. In any case I think it's irrelevant matter to current discussion, especially given how wrong those rich people are in making economic decisions with subprime debt, hedge funds etc.

Now I am off to meet lawyers.

[DiscoStu]

Watch out for upcoming regulation that will deal globally with the kind of stuff hedge funds were doing, dodgy derivatives and general debt controls. There won't be many hedge funds operating in few years time, so if you work for one start thinking of Plan B now.

If you know everything how come you're not a multi-millionaire?

[AtW]

whatever

Watch out for upcoming regulation that will deal globally with the kind of stuff hedge funds were doing, dodgy derivatives and general debt controls. There won't be many hedge funds operating in few years time, so if you work for one start thinking of Plan B now.

[ThomasSoerensen]

It has been recognised for a long time that not all capitalism is good - for example monopolies were regulated and prevented from happening for a long time, that is recognised to be bad for the market by USA, UK and almost any other country.



There should not be either - if you think company will make good profits, has got good potential - buy shares and keep them. If you think it has no potential and value peaked - sell shares and fk off. Shareholding should be long term, if you don't intent to keep purchased shares for a long period of time then don't buy them.

It certainly should not be possible to make money from falling share prices: investment in shares has got good economic sense, shorting them hasn't.



I do stay out. My problem is that those guys managed to infect with their leveraged junk all other areas of life so even bank accounts where I keep the money were not safe at some point, and that is exactly why I am angry at those scumbags - they managed to screw over even people who had nothing to do with their stupid derivative games, just possibly this be right?

If they want to gamble they should go to a casino which will be self-isolated and if they win big there and casino goes bust I am not bothered, likewise if they lost and go bust I am not bothered either. The only thing I'd be bothered there is if they use someone elses money to gamble and lose. And this is exactly what happened - they turned financial markets into casino and gambled with other peoples money, while they were winning they pocketed big profits, now they lost and everyone (including those not-involved) are shafted.

whatever

[AtW]

I trust capitalism to close the hedge funds that are idiots either in the long term or in the short term.

It has been recognised for a long time that not all capitalism is good - for example monopolies were regulated and prevented from happening for a long time, that is recognised to be bad for the market by USA, UK and almost any other country.

Shorting is part of forming the price. Just as long positions are.

There should not be either - if you think company will make good profits, has got good potential - buy shares and keep them. If you think it has no potential and value peaked - sell shares and fk off. Shareholding should be long term, if you don't intent to keep purchased shares for a long period of time then don't buy them.

It certainly should not be possible to make money from falling share prices: investment in shares has got good economic sense, shorting them hasn't.

And if you don't like to play the game with these guys, then just stay out, nobody has ever said that is is a basic human right to earn money from the stock market.

I do stay out. My problem is that those guys managed to infect with their leveraged junk all other areas of life so even bank accounts where I keep the money were not safe at some point, and that is exactly why I am angry at those scumbags - they managed to screw over even people who had nothing to do with their stupid derivative games, just possibly this be right?

If they want to gamble they should go to a casino which will be self-isolated and if they win big there and casino goes bust I am not bothered, likewise if they lost and go bust I am not bothered either. The only thing I'd be bothered there is if they use someone elses money to gamble and lose. And this is exactly what happened - they turned financial markets into casino and gambled with other peoples money, while they were winning they pocketed big profits, now they lost and everyone (including those not-involved) are shafted.

[sasguru]

Another classic pile of poo from the SKA Poo master. How does he do it?

[BrilloPad]

Why people are not allowed to carp into water wells? Because this behavior will have adverse negative affect on others. Same with hedge funds - shorting operations that they do have no economic sense, by that I mean say investors who buy shares long term play important economic role in having new businesses developed who could help bring up useful products that would help society and hopefully bring profits if they are very good.

What hedge funds do has zero economic point in this sense, what's worse is that they are so big now that they actually affect market significantly and I'd say their actions should be viewed as market manipulation. Finally they don't even have the money with which they screw up everyone - they are usually heavily leveraged, this is necessary for them because they want to reach scale high enough to manipulate market - say with some companies at some points 15-20% of their stock was shorted, if you are proper investor and want to buy so much you'd have to declare who you are, etc - it's a big shareholding and it should not be secret, those guys however operate with huge proportions of companies without any oversight - it should not be allowed.

The simple question is this really - if hedge funds were all closed and everyone involved in them fired, shorting banned, then what would the society lose as the result? I don't think losses will be high, frankly gains are rather obvious and given hedge funds involvement in current malarkey it would only be right to close them down en masse.

I think I preferred it when you were putting up placeholders for SKA news.

How do you manage to talk so much nonsense and not be banned? Are you blackmailing the mods?

[ThomasSoerensen]

Why people are not allowed to carp into water wells? Because this behavior will have adverse negative affect on others. Same with hedge funds - shorting operations that they do have no economic sense, by that I mean say investors who buy shares long term play important economic role in having new businesses developed who could help bring up useful products that would help society and hopefully bring profits if they are very good.

What hedge funds do has zero economic point in this sense, what's worse is that they are so big now that they actually affect market significantly and I'd say their actions should be viewed as market manipulation. Finally they don't even have the money with which they screw up everyone - they are usually heavily leveraged, this is necessary for them because they want to reach scale high enough to manipulate market - say with some companies at some points 15-20% of their stock was shorted, if you are proper investor and want to buy so much you'd have to declare who you are, etc - it's a big shareholding and it should not be secret, those guys however operate with huge proportions of companies without any oversight - it should not be allowed.

The simple question is this really - if hedge funds were all closed and everyone involved in them fired, shorting banned, then what would the society lose as the result? I don't think losses will be high, frankly gains are rather obvious and given hedge funds involvement in current malarkey it would only be right to close them down en masse.

I trust capitalism to close the hedge funds that are idiots either in the long term or in the short term.
Shorting is part of forming the price. Just as long positions are.
And if you don't like to play the game with these guys, then just stay out, nobody has ever said that is is a basic human right to earn money from the stock market.

[AtW]

I do not understand why the hedge funds should not be allowed to short a stock.

Why people are not allowed to carp into water wells? Because this behavior will have adverse negative affect on others. Same with hedge funds - shorting operations that they do have no economic sense, by that I mean say investors who buy shares long term play important economic role in having new businesses developed who could help bring up useful products that would help society and hopefully bring profits if they are very good.

What hedge funds do has zero economic point in this sense, what's worse is that they are so big now that they actually affect market significantly and I'd say their actions should be viewed as market manipulation. Finally they don't even have the money with which they screw up everyone - they are usually heavily leveraged, this is necessary for them because they want to reach scale high enough to manipulate market - say with some companies at some points 15-20% of their stock was shorted, if you are proper investor and want to buy so much you'd have to declare who you are, etc - it's a big shareholding and it should not be secret, those guys however operate with huge proportions of companies without any oversight - it should not be allowed.

The simple question is this really - if hedge funds were all closed and everyone involved in them fired, shorting banned, then what would the society lose as the result? I don't think losses will be high, frankly gains are rather obvious and given hedge funds involvement in current malarkey it would only be right to close them down en masse.