Reply to: Siege lawyer hit at least five times..

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Unless they're the thieving bar-steward type that'll spend a day doing something they could do in an hour. In that case I think it's perfectly reasonable.

Of course!

[NotAllThere]

WHS

Sad for his family but as soon as you start waving a gun (or even a replica)

Or a table leg in a carrier bag.

[DiscoStu]

WHS

Sad for his family but as soon as you start waving a gun (or even a replica) at the Police, you can expect to be shot dead. I feel sorry for the coppers, actually

BTW I don't feel the cops have the right to shoot unarmed electricians.

HTH

Unless they're the thieving bar-steward type that'll spend a day doing something they could do in an hour. In that case I think it's perfectly reasonable.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

One less lawyer is not a bad thing.

WHS

Sad for his family but as soon as you start waving a gun (or even a replica) at the Police, you can expect to be shot dead. I feel sorry for the coppers, actually

BTW I don't feel the cops have the right to shoot unarmed electricians.

HTH

[DiscoStu]

They are trained shooters, they can achieve disabling him rather than killing him. The guy is sick he needed help, he is not an animal

Don't be so bloody silly. An injured man's still able to shoot people. If he's presenting mortal danger to other people (which he clearly was), then the priority of the police should be to protect Joe Public, which they did very effectively.

[Sockpuppet]

They are trained shooters, they can achieve disabling him rather than killing him. The guy is sick he needed help, he is not an animal

All my mates who served in iraq used to use the motto: Its better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

[Advocate]

Yeah my understanding was that pulling the trigger indicates that the intent of the officer is to kill.

There's never any "shoot to wound" poncing around.

If the trigger's pulled a kill should occur...you should only really moan if they fire off a live round and no-one is killed as that's quite clearly a mistake.

[BA to the Stars]

They are trained shooters, they can achieve disabling him rather than killing him. The guy is sick he needed help, he is not an animal

He is beyond sick now.

IF he hadn't started shooting, IF he had put the gun down he may well be alive now. Only himself to blame, why should some innocent passer by suffer because he is sick and he has a gun.

[scooby]

They are NOT trained to disable, they are trained to kill. Don't like it, get elected, work your way up to senior office and get the law changed.

and dont join the army or police!!!

[Moscow Mule]

They are trained shooters, they can achieve disabling him rather than killing him. The guy is sick he needed help, he is not an animal

But that is not their training. Blame the training, not the shooters if you want to get on a horse about something.

[NotAllThere]

They are trained shooters, they can achieve disabling him rather than killing him...

They are NOT trained to disable, they are trained to kill. Don't like it, get elected, work your way up to senior office and get the law changed.

[DimPrawn]

One less lawyer is not a bad thing.

[scooby]

if i was one of the cops, i'd rather know my mucker was aiming to kill the guy just in case my bullet didnt do the job.

Shoot him in the leg or the arm, yes he'll be floored, but he could shoot at me.

wake up lad, own safety first!

[oloks]

disagree. first line should always be to remove any danger.

if the person is breathing and moving, they can fire. this is the reason most special ops use the 'double tap' 1 to kill them, the second to kill them again.

They are trained shooters, they can achieve disabling him rather than killing him. The guy is sick he needed help, he is not an animal

[Churchill]

I shouldn't think it was overkill. More likely there were five weapons pointed at him as he raised his weapon to shoot and each officer fired once.

If you're about to be shot at, you shoot to kill. This is, has always been and will always be, police policy. One very dead gunman is better than one dead copper.

They'd have killed him even more times if he was wearing a rucksack...