Reply to: Oh Dear (tm) Police State Looms

[Bagpuss]

So it is wrong for the police to target the known trouble makers and make their lives difficult. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If these little cherubs were not out causing grief to others then they wouldn't be on this particular list would they.

Hear Hear, these scrotes think they are above the law

[lambrini_socialist]

for me, you were doing well up to this point...


The buck should stop with the parents. no where else. this is why we should be allowed to smack (within reason) children and not be feared of being arrested or having kids taken off you.

damn right. a good slap will learn 'em not to be such violent little thugs.

[chicane]

I used to think the same to be honest before I started to work with young people.

Would you mind coming up these parts to "work with" the young people?
Don't forget your baseball bat.

[scooby]

The horse is in front of the cart.

Only when we get class sizes down to smaller levels and have a more reasonable upbringing conditions will things change for the better.

for me, you were doing well up to this point...

what has class sizes got to do with it? Teachers are just that, teachers. they are not there to parent, altho many do seem to believe that they are!

the parents need to take responsibility for their children and support the people like teachers and police. too many people seem to think they have so many 'human rights' that they can do as they please. More police to enforce the law is required, not new measures that will take the few police further out of the system to do this type of thing.

The buck should stop with the parents. no where else. this is why we should be allowed to smack (within reason) children and not be feared of being arrested or having kids taken off you.

[Wilmslow]

a horrible screwed up angry little face, your eyebrows meet in the middle, you radiate petty criminality and jaw-dropping stupidity[/i]

cos i do.

Think about why they are angry, and what options they have for dealing with the anger.

I used to think the same to be honest before I started to work with young people.

[Chugnut]

yeah, i'm all in favour of tackling poverty and giving people better life chances, but don't you ever look at some of those horrible kids and think: you've got a lumpy, mis-shapen head and a horrible screwed up angry little face, your eyebrows meet in the middle, you radiate petty criminality and jaw-dropping stupidity, you tuck your trousers into your white sport socks and are clearly some sort of genetic underclass?

cos i do.

I rarely have time to check my appearance in the mirror before leaving for work either.

[Ruprect]

No, it's wrong to introduce powers that can apply to anybody (which are open to abuse) to solve a problem with 0.1% of the population.

These sort of powers should have judicial oversight before they are invoked.

Precisely the point I was making Moscow.

[lambrini_socialist]

The horse is in front of the cart.
Seriously – a lot of the problems are down to the upbringing, people not listenening, and getting into trouble as a coping mechanism and reaction to other thigns happening in their world.

yeah, i'm all in favour of tackling poverty and giving people better life chances, but don't you ever look at some of those horrible kids and think: you've got a lumpy, mis-shapen head and a horrible screwed up angry little face, your eyebrows meet in the middle, you radiate petty criminality and jaw-dropping stupidity, you tuck your trousers into your white sport socks and are clearly some sort of genetic underclass?

cos i do.

[xoggoth]

Agree with last. Problem is that this is another area of hysteria where everyone will get tarred with same brush including groups of youths guilty of nothing at all. If people are guilty of actual damage or intimidation then prosecute them.

PS By last I meant Moscow mule. Not that I disagree with Wilmslow's comments but I do appreciate it is not done to agree with wilmslow.

[Wilmslow]

The horse is in front of the cart.

Fundamentally, we need to address WHY young people are behaving as they do, and take an approach per person, not a mass ‘all young people misbehaving are bad’ approach.

Seriously – a lot of the problems are down to the upbringing, people not listenening, and getting into trouble as a coping mechanism and reaction to other thigns happening in their world.

Only when we get class sizes down to smaller levels and have a more reasonable upbringing conditions will things change for the better.

Clashing with the young people will make them want to retaliate back, and harder.

[lambrini_socialist]

Seems to me that NL are seeing Bozza getting on with the job and it scares them...

as a paid-up guardian reading liberal and minor CUK hate figure, i think this is a pretty good idea, sort the oiks out i say and put the fear of god into them. i'm not so keen on boris banning booze from the underground though - it seems to miss the point that most drunks are drunk before they board a train....

[Moscow Mule]

So it is wrong for the police to target the known trouble makers and make their lives difficult. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If these little cherubs were not out causing grief to others then they wouldn't be on this particular list would they.

No, it's wrong to introduce powers that can apply to anybody (which are open to abuse) to solve a problem with 0.1% of the population.

These sort of powers should have judicial oversight before they are invoked.

[Ruprect]

Sorry, I can't take anyone seriously who:

1. Reads the Guardian
2. Has that evil arse hole as an av

Thanks for your reasoned contribution to the debate.

[BrilloPad]

These measures will just be used to control the law abiding middle classes. the chavs will still get away with it.

Root cause is fatherlessness. Sort out the family courts and all else will get alot better.

[BoredBloke]

So it is wrong for the police to target the known trouble makers and make their lives difficult. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If these little cherubs were not out causing grief to others then they wouldn't be on this particular list would they.