Reply to: Star Wars and The Matrix are Japanese Movies

[Charles Foster Kane]

Producer Joel Silver has stated that the Wachowski brothers first described their intentions for The Matrix by showing him that anime (Ghost in the Shell) and saying, "We wanna do that for real".

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[sasguru]

That's it team up, then you'll be able to beat down my opinions... .

Oh look its the "I'm a misunderstood genius" argument.
That is quite clearly a rip-off.

[Charles Foster Kane]

Thanks Xen.
I just hate it when some know nothing upstart starts quoting obviously flawed evidence and bases their argument on it as though it is fact.
I shall chill out this afternoon and maybe watch a couple of my favourite movies.

That's it team up, then you'll be able to beat down my opinions... Lone Gunman I'm surprised you didn't reference Virtuosity whilst you were doing the whole other influences rant.

[Xenophon]

I shall chill out this afternoon and maybe watch a couple of my favourite movies.

Good plan.

Keep that bench warm. I'm almost in single figures in terms of days left and despite a soft-ish market, I'm well up for a little break before the next gig.

[The Lone Gunman]

Give it up, TLG. Your points are solid. CFK is clutching at straws. Whilst you are willing to consider his points, he is unable to see other opinions (as is evidenced in this and other threads).

He seems to me to be one of those people that makes my blood boil. You know the type: 'like what they say and say what they like'. A bloody-minded know-all who thinks he is better than you because he likes something more obscure.

As I said before:

Bollox.

Thanks Xen.
I just hate it when some know nothing upstart starts quoting obviously flawed evidence and bases their argument on it as though it is fact.
I shall chill out this afternoon and maybe watch a couple of my favourite movies.

[Xenophon]

Now now, you said that your previous post would be your last.

I have considered all the evidence on all your concepts (years ago) and have come to my own conclusion.
GITS is certainly an influence on the Matrix and some scenes are homages to the original. The influence is acknowledged.
BUT The Matrix is not a blatant rip off of GITS in any way.


I am willing to consider your points, but as you seem to ignore my arguments to the contrary there is no point trying to enlighten you.

See previous posts as to why your concepts dont stand up.

If you want to put spurious links and similarities. Look up Halcyon Drift and other Hooded Swan books for references to those jack plugs.

Give it up, TLG. Your points are solid. CFK is clutching at straws. Whilst you are willing to consider his points, he is unable to see other opinions (as is evidenced in this and other threads).

He seems to me to be one of those people that makes my blood boil. You know the type: 'like what they say and say what they like'. A bloody-minded know-all who thinks he is better than you because he likes something more obscure.

As I said before:

Bollox.

[The Lone Gunman]

Only giving up on trying to argue the point with you as you clearly refuse to consider it, which is fine.

Now now, you said that your previous post would be your last.

I have considered all the evidence on all your concepts (years ago) and have come to my own conclusion.
GITS is certainly an influence on the Matrix and some scenes are homages to the original. The influence is acknowledged.
BUT The Matrix is not a blatant rip off of GITS in any way.


I am willing to consider your points, but as you seem to ignore my arguments to the contrary there is no point trying to enlighten you.

See previous posts as to why your concepts dont stand up.

If you want to put spurious links and similarities. Look up Halcyon Drift and other Hooded Swan books for references to those jack plugs.

[oracleslave]

I was hoping that this thread would develop into a discussion about eastern cinema in general

Looks like I over estimated CUK again

Ahh well at least you still had hope.

[Xenophon]

I was hoping that this thread would develop into a discussion about eastern cinema in general

Looks like I over estimated CUK again

You'll need your own thread with CFK for that. Have fun debating with him.

[Spacecadet]

I was hoping that this thread would develop into a discussion about eastern cinema in general

Looks like I over estimated CUK again

[Charles Foster Kane]

Glad you are giving up, it is beyond my capabilities to explain the concepts of thes two movies to someone who is so clearly wide of the mark to start with.

Only giving up on trying to argue the point with you as you clearly refuse to consider it, which is fine.

[The Lone Gunman]

Ok, this is my last post as you are clearly determined to disagree with me, which is fine. I mean there are the specifics like the green kanji characters that became binary characters in The Matrix, the cerebral interfaces at the base of the neck etc. etc.

Then there is the general theme of the movies, mainly humans being linked to a network in the future, and hackers (Neo and gang?) waging a war against cyborgs (Agent Smith's?) in order to infiltrate the Matrix, er, interactive network even. Although of course we are on the side of the Cyborgs/Agent Smith's in GIS.

Glad you are giving up, it is beyond my capabilities to explain the concepts of thes two movies to someone who is so clearly wide of the mark to start with.

[Charles Foster Kane]

No, the concepts are completely different.
Not exactly. The Matrix may still have been made, but would not have been able to refer to GITS.
True, but you may find more obvious references in the details.

You are talking about 2 of my fave films here and I dont need time to recall the bits I know. I would only need to check when unsure.

As you couldnt do it:
1. GITS: One of the agents presses a button on a briefcase. The case falls away to leave him holding a small machine gune.
You may recognise that from the Matrix.
2. GITS: The ghost hacked guy shooting high velocity rounds at the truck scene. Compare the raining bullet cases to Neo shooting the mini gun on the chopper.

Want any more?

There are lots of refs, but they are acknowledged as homage rather than unacknolwedged rip offs.

The Matrix is a stand alone, complex movie (did you like what I did there?). It is not a live version of GITS. The story, the setting, the characters and the scenes are not ripped off.

Ok, this is my last post as you are clearly determined to disagree with me, which is fine. I mean there are the specifics like the green kanji characters that became binary characters in The Matrix, the cerebral interfaces at the base of the neck etc. etc.

Then there is the general theme of the movies, mainly humans being linked to a network in the future, and hackers (Neo and gang?) waging a war against cyborgs (Agent Smith's?) in order to infiltrate the Matrix, er, interactive network even. Although of course we are on the side of the Cyborgs/Agent Smith's in GIS.

[The Lone Gunman]

I suppose from a high level the main theme of the film is lifted from GIS

No, the concepts are completely different.

if it didn't exist then neither would the Matrix.

Not exactly. The Matrix may still have been made, but would not have been able to refer to GITS.

The more in depth you analyse the less similar they will appear of course.

True, but you may find more obvious references in the details.

You are talking about 2 of my fave films here and I dont need time to recall the bits I know. I would only need to check when unsure.

As you couldnt do it:
1. GITS: One of the agents presses a button on a briefcase. The case falls away to leave him holding a small machine gune.
You may recognise that from the Matrix.
2. GITS: The ghost hacked guy shooting high velocity rounds at the truck scene. Compare the raining bullet cases to Neo shooting the mini gun on the chopper.

Want any more?

There are lots of refs, but they are acknowledged as homage rather than unacknolwedged rip offs.

The Matrix is a stand alone, complex movie (did you like what I did there?). It is not a live version of GITS. The story, the setting, the characters and the scenes are not ripped off.

[Dalek Supreme]

The attack on the Death Star sequence is pretty heavily influenced by 633 Squadron I would say.