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[lilelvis2000]

[QUOTE=DimPrawn;502865]
Someone picking carrots in a field does not add to the net growth of the UK.

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Didn't immigration all start because the indigenous population refused to pick carrots? Around here they practically begged for workers for a night shift in the mills - but nobody stepped forward. So they went abroad and found willing people. I suppose they didn't expect to be made scapgoats for other people's laziness.

[DimPrawn]

That's one viewpoint, and your perfectly entitled to it. Bit simplistic (I know, you can't help it), given variables such as your carrot picker doing a job the 'chav's' don't want, not too mention lowering the cost of the carrorts to us the consumer increasing our competitiveness and spending power. - Yeah, that's wot Tesco do, they use immigrants and pass on the savings to the shopper.

If he's a net contributor to the economy then he helps the economy grow - all depends on how much he gets paid, notwithstanding the very simplistic view that every immigrant here is a carrot picker or equivalent. But reasoned debate has never been your strong point. At what point does someone start being a contributor to the economy - I'd be interested to see you back up your statement with some facts.

No need to back it up, just sit back and wait a few years until UK plc is bankrupt.

[snaw]

Must always wear your CND badge with pride

Might be time for a change, was taking the piss out of myself but think I might be reinforcing the stereotype a wee bit too much.

[Dow Jones]

Don't forget

Must always wear your CND badge with pride

[snaw]

That only makes sense if you are replacing the chavs with immigrants. You are not, you are adding the immigrants.

Low paid workers are a net drain on the system. It only makes sense to have immigrants come here that earn more than they take from the welfare state (e.g. doctors, lawyers, vets, dentists, some IT workers etc).

Someone picking carrots in a field does not add to the net growth of the UK.

Still, stick to your left wing ideals snaw. They will see you and your kids to a brighter future.

That's one viewpoint, and your perfectly entitled to it. Bit simplistic (I know, you can't help it), given variables such as your carrot picker doing a job the 'chav's' don't want, not too mention lowering the cost of the carrorts to us the consumer increasing our competitiveness and spending power.

If he's a net contributor to the economy then he helps the economy grow - all depends on how much he gets paid, notwithstanding the very simplistic view that every immigrant here is a carrot picker or equivalent. But reasoned debate has never been your strong point. At what point does someone start being a contributor to the economy - I'd be interested to see you back up your statement with some facts.

[DimPrawn]

EH?

I think I've been typecast.

Equally sure there's a good argument for immigrants who come here to work, pay taxes and generally contribute in exactly the same way as the rest of the working population.

It's the ones who don't work and claim benefits that seem to be an issue, a sentiment which I would agree with - I like the Aussie system, you've got to have lived there for a few years (5 I think) before you're entitled to claim any benefits. Seems fair enough imo.

That only makes sense if you are replacing the chavs with immigrants. You are not, you are adding the immigrants.

Low paid workers are a net drain on the system. It only makes sense to have immigrants come here that earn more than they take from the welfare state (e.g. doctors, lawyers, vets, dentists, some IT workers etc).

Someone picking carrots in a field does not add to the net growth of the UK.

Still, stick to your left wing ideals snaw. They will see you and your kids to a brighter future.

[HRH]

Averaged over what period?

Since 2002. Last year 2.5 weeks

2006 3.5 weeks

2005 5 weeks

2004 4 weeks.

Happy?

[Diver]

Averaged over what period?

Do US website visits actually count ?

[snaw]

I'd like to know how, taking out the "cash in hand" immigrant workers, someone on min wage, who probably pays about £1200 a year in income tax, and puts their children into free schooling and uses the free NHS and claims tax-credits and income support and receives child allowance, is going to "fund my retirement"?



PS I'm sure snaw believes this makes sense.

EH?

I think I've been typecast.

Equally sure there's a good argument for immigrants who come here to work, pay taxes and generally contribute in exactly the same way as the rest of the working population.

It's the ones who don't work and claim benefits that seem to be an issue, a sentiment which I would agree with - I like the Aussie system, you've got to have lived there for a few years (5 I think) before you're entitled to claim any benefits. Seems fair enough imo.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

No Im English ......... I spend on average 3-6 weeks in the USA .......

Averaged over what period?

[Diver]

I'd like to know how, taking out the "cash in hand" immigrant workers, someone on min wage, who probably pays about £1200 a year in income tax, and puts their children into free schooling and uses the free NHS and claims tax-credits and income support and receives child allowance, is going to "fund my retirement"?



PS I'm sure snaw believes this makes sense.

[DimPrawn]

I would just like to point out that the young immigrant taxpayer is going to become the foundation on which the future benefits and pensions system of an ageing Britain is supported.

I'd like to know how, taking out the "cash in hand" immigrant workers, someone on min wage, who probably pays about £1200 a year in income tax, and puts their children into free schooling and uses the free NHS and claims tax-credits and income support and receives child allowance, is going to "fund my retirement"?



PS I'm sure snaw believes this makes sense.

[HRH]

I would just like to point out that the young immigrant taxpayer is going to become the foundation on which the future benefits and pensions system of an ageing Britain is supported.

And which left wing rag did you read this in? Most Eastern European immigrants have little or no intention of staying in the UK, they are economic migrants like a lot of our tradesmen in Germany in the 70's/80's.

Fair play to them, they work hard and pay tax but only for the short term.

[HRH]

Yes. You move staight to the top of the CUK Village Idiots club.

OK OK which one of you has created this cretinous character?

Why?? I mean, Im honoured to knock you off your perch but I would like and explanation please.

[Diver]

I would just like to point out that the young immigrant taxpayer is going to become the foundation on which the future benefits and pensions system of an ageing Britain is supported.