Reply to: Death of the pub

[Diver]

Close all the pubs clubs and Off licenses.

Ban the manufacture and importation of alcohol.



>Diver in Teetotal mode <

[xoggoth]

This death began long ago in our area and (for once) it is not all down to government decisions.

Our nearest pub closed 6 years back. Now our not quite so local is practically dead on its feet, the owner wants to convert it into a private dwelling. Wandered up there Thurs about 10 pm and it was closed and dark so went to a pub I rarely frequent in the next village and, while they were doing great in the restaurant, the bar was deserted.

The local social club is the same mostly. I really don't know what people do any more round here, watch TV and drink Tescos booze on their sofas it seems.

[hyperD]

Oi Hyper, Can you brew up some 100LL?

Should be cheaper! How much is that stuff now? £1.50/l?

[BrilloPad]

I go to pubs more these days - it was the smoking that put me off.

[Bagpuss]

The smoking ban is killing traditional boozers. Most pub regulars are smokers (in my experience) and they are staying away now, drinking elsewhere, where they can smoke.

Price will never stop people drinking alcohol. It's a drug, the cost of a drug is never an issue.

4 pubs have closed in my small town since the smoking ban, where are all those people who wanted a smoke free pint? Those shouting the loudest didn't even want to frequent pubs that much is obvious

[The Lone Gunman]

It is an excuse to raise more money to pay civil servants pensions.
If they realy wanted to make a difference to teenage and binge drinking then they would have changed the law not the revenue.
For instance. It is not illegal for under age drinkers to possess alcohol, it is only illegal to sell it to them, so.... change the law so they can be arrested for possession and enforce the law concerning sales. Remove the licence of shops which never check age or persistantly sell booze to kids.


A few measly pence wont stop me drinking, I am a contractor after all.

Remember, Its only binge drinking if you stop!

[SueEllen]

Taxation could be good way to raise money from particular thing to tackle negative issues arising from that thing, like drinks. The problem of course is that Govt wants to use strealth taxes used for all sort of things and they don't want to tackle negative issues because it will prevent them from raising tax later.
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ATW the tax issue is a waste of space as teenagers don't drink the 40p lager. It's people who have parties who will buy it. I mean once you are that drunk you shouldn't be able to taste it.

I've only found one teenager who liked drinking beer and even he wouldn't drink lager - he drank real ale.

Teenagers drink sweet alcoholic drinks like cider, barcardi breezers, spirits with mixers and sweet wine.

The Tory's have recognised this but due to the law where duty can only be raised on spirits, wine and beer then it's raised across the board.

Basically if you want teenagers to stop binge drinking then you show loads of people p**** off their heads and give them the message it ain't cool. I can't tell the teenagers I know I've been that p**** as they can't understand why people do it.

[Churchill]

I think I might bring out the old wine and beer making kits and threaten to make some of my friends blind again.

Oi Hyper, Can you brew up some 100LL?

[hyperD]

What about lobbying by Tesco:

Government introduce a smoking ban and raise taxes on booze: pubs suffer and go bust as punters go to supermarkets and offies.

Tesco lobbies government to ban cheap alcohol. Prices go up and the big four become the dominant retailers as the small shops and offies go bust.

Quite clever really.

I think I might bring out the old wine and beer making kits and threaten to make some of my friends blind again.

[Dow Jones]

So called 'reasons'

Alleged 'traffic congestion' = Congestion charge
Alleged 'green directive' = Tax on petrol
Alleged 'health reasons' = Tax on cigarettes
Alleged 'binge drinking' = Tax on alcohol
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Alleged 'incompetence' = ?????

[AtW]

Not what I mean. I mean taxation doesn't stop people from doing what they want where alcohol is concerned. I think it's the viking genes or something.

Taxation could be good way to raise money from particular thing to tackle negative issues arising from that thing, like drinks. The problem of course is that Govt wants to use strealth taxes used for all sort of things and they don't want to tackle negative issues because it will prevent them from raising tax later.

Tesco is very convenient for me. I would not buy their beer (nor anything from their "value" range).

Their whole stores are rather tacky - yet the prices are not cheap. Morrisons are much better, heck even ASDA is better than Tesco.

[Moscow Mule]

Do you think if we compare how many young people get drunk here and there we will find that UK is not a lot worse than them?

Not what I mean. I mean taxation doesn't stop people from doing what they want where alcohol is concerned. I think it's the viking genes or something.

40p Tesco Value Beer has no right to exist in this world, heck whole of Tesco is aweful.

Tesco is very convenient for me. I would not buy their beer (nor anything from their "value" range).

[AtW]

Are you sure you're not on (or off prematurely) drugs today?

No. Next...

[AtW]

I think it's been proven (in the UK & Scandinavia at least) that this doesn't work when drinking to excess is examined.

Do you think if we compare how many young people get drunk here and there we will find that UK is not a lot worse than them? 40p Tesco Value Beer has no right to exist in this world, heck whole of Tesco is aweful.

[Moscow Mule]

I'd rather have them smoke - this way they only die themselves rather than get drunk and kill people.

I can't even begin to list the myriad of thing wrong with this sentence.

Are you sure you're not on (or off prematurely) drugs today?