Reply to: Abuse of the Visa system

[Pondlife]

You think too kindly of people AtW.
My take is this:

a number of Indians are selected by meticulouslydodgy company. They are then coerced into applying for an HSMP which meticulously dodgy help them out with. In so doing meticulously dodgy get them to sign a contract saying that they will work through them and only through them for say 3 years at their rates of pay. "M..D.." find them work in return and probably take their passports off them.

Call me a cynic... but that is what I would do

Isn't that your standard restriction clause DA?

[TheFaQQer]

Quiet, and you'd know a lot about that

Indeed - I know more than I care to remember.

And will know even more by the end of the year at this rate.

[AtW]

I thought it was a typo for Her Majesty's Prison Service.

Quiet, and you'd know a lot about that

[TheFaQQer]

Do you know what HSMP is?

I thought it was a typo for Her Majesty's Prison Service.

[bored]

If you cant beat em ...

It is this that worries me:

Our existing relationship with our employees ensures that they do not leave the project in a hurry.

Just what is "Our existing relationship"?

Seems to me that they are hinting to the client that "Our employees can't leave us because of the terms of their visa" - hoping that the client does not know exactly what HSMP is. Definitely dodgy...

[beaker]

What's the point in staying only to get a piece of paper if you are not going to make any use of it?

Makes a nice souvenier

And gives you options if you ever want to live in the EU again

[AtW]

HSMP now is a big profitable business for the Govt - they charge £400 to review your application, you don't get any appeals and if you get declined then you can't add a single piece of extra evidence for review. Govt is making big money from it, I am pretty certain of that - but again I think it is a better program than workpermits because people who go under it are checked better (income levels should be high in this country too, so they won't be doing IT jobs for £20k), plus it is hard for sweatshop to exploit them since they can change employer without getting new visa.

It's not easy to get under HSMP either.

[Francko]

As long as you remain economically active (ie make decent money) and do not claim any benefits then you are allowed to extend your stay, until you qualify for citizenship. At which point most antipodeans get their UK passport and bugger off back to their own countries, never to be seen again. The South Africans tend to stay though, because they'd prefer to live here than in SA. I am making mass generalisations you have probably noticed.

What's the point in staying only to get a piece of paper if you are not going to make any use of it?

[beaker]

so where u from beaker boy ?

Oz...

[2uk]

I am on the HSMP. Supposedly the UK has skills shortages of educated people in all fields, so anyone who has a degree and makes above the average wage can get one. Lately you need to prove you understand English too. I am not aware of a cap on the number of HSMP workers in the UK.

As long as you remain economically active (ie make decent money) and do not claim any benefits then you are allowed to extend your stay, until you qualify for citizenship. At which point most antipodeans get their UK passport and bugger off back to their own countries, never to be seen again. The South Africans tend to stay though, because they'd prefer to live here than in SA. I am making mass generalisations you have probably noticed.

This company seems to offering a service (or exploiting) naiive HSMP visa holders who probably think its the best way for them to work in the UK. They are probably being paid a pittance and this company will take a cut of their earnings. My advice would be if you want decent HSMP people, go recruit them yourself.

so where u from beaker boy ?

[beaker]

I am on the HSMP. Supposedly the UK has skills shortages of educated people in all fields, so anyone who has a degree and makes above the average wage can get one. Lately you need to prove you understand English too. I am not aware of a cap on the number of HSMP workers in the UK.

As long as you remain economically active (ie make decent money) and do not claim any benefits then you are allowed to extend your stay, until you qualify for citizenship. At which point most antipodeans get their UK passport and bugger off back to their own countries, never to be seen again. The South Africans tend to stay though, because they'd prefer to live here than in SA. I am making mass generalisations you have probably noticed.

This company seems to offering a service (or exploiting) naiive HSMP visa holders who probably think its the best way for them to work in the UK. They are probably being paid a pittance and this company will take a cut of their earnings. My advice would be if you want decent HSMP people, go recruit them yourself.

[2uk]

I take it that you are an HSMP applicant? Do you know how many of these are given out each year? Can anyone who meets the criteria automatically expect to obtain such a visa? or do they have a set number that they give out?

bona fide means in good faith, proper etc

Everyone who meets the critera gets one. I am European I don't need that crap. The thing is you don't need to deal with them. The supply of skill is enough without them

[AtW]

The email is simply offering HSMP people.This is points based ( abolished later this year ) and if the talent has HSMP , then they are already here legally. This is the most legal way out there.

It's not abolished - just rolled into Tier 1 program, in effect HSMP became the testbed for points system visas in the UK, there was nothing like this before HSMP.

[Francko]

The email is simply offering HSMP people.This is points based ( abolished later this year ) and if the talent has HSMP , then they are already here legally. This is the most legal way out there.

I don't mean cheaper. I am certainly not. I mean more motivated/ambitious. This is a great thing.

The thing with the large Indian company exploits "intra-company-transfer" schemes and not the HSMP.


Not sure I understand the bona fide sentence , but then I can't be bothered ot read all posts in full

We were thinking of outsourcing you with a young indian playboy with a Tata, much cheaper than a brit with an A3.

[DodgyAgent]

The email is simply offering HSMP people.This is points based ( abolished later this year ) and if the talent has HSMP , then they are already here legally. This is the most legal way out there.

I don't mean cheaper. I am certainly not. I mean more motivated/ambitious. This is a great thing.

The thing with the large Indian company exploits "intra-company-transfer" schemes and not the HSMP.


Not sure I understand the bona fide sentence , but then I can't be bothered ot read all posts in full

I take it that you are an HSMP applicant? Do you know how many of these are given out each year? Can anyone who meets the criteria automatically expect to obtain such a visa? or do they have a set number that they give out?

bona fide means in good faith, proper etc