Reply to: Does one have a moral duty to Pay tax?

[threaded]

your tax goes towards keeping chavs in beer and tabs

HTH

Doesn't that actually infer you have a moral obligation NOT to pay tax.

[BrilloPad]

Anyway - where is Bradley? come on out you chicken...

[BrilloPad]

Cant there be certain opt-outs for tax?

i.e.
I pay for private schooling so dont need public schools,
I pay for private medical and healthcare so dont need NHS,
I pay my (now huge) car tax to use the roads (and am in favour of toll roads)
I pay my council tax to fund police/firemen/wastecollection/olympics(!!)
I fund my own pension, so am happy to opt out of state pension

All in all, I wont be using as much state money/freebies hence they should charge me only 10% on everything?

your tax goes towards keeping chavs in beer and tabs

HTH

[kryten22uk]

Cant there be certain opt-outs for tax?

i.e.
I pay for private schooling so dont need public schools,
I pay for private medical and healthcare so dont need NHS,
I pay my (now huge) car tax to use the roads (and am in favour of toll roads)
I pay my council tax to fund police/firemen/wastecollection/olympics(!!)
I fund my own pension, so am happy to opt out of state pension

All in all, I wont be using as much state money/freebies hence they should charge me only 10% on everything?

[AlfredJPruffock]

Interesting - I have now decided that everybody else has a moral obligation to pay all taxes that the State demands - except for me - because I am not everybody else and - I didnt start the Napoleonic Wars - not on my watch.

Perfect - and Fair.

[xoggoth]

I would say it is reasonable and just, that over one's lifetime one should pay for the actual benefits of society that one has received over the same period.

So by my reckoning the thieving bastards owe me a few million!

[BrilloPad]

Apologies for ressurecting this thread - but I wanted to keep the accounting forum clean...

http://forums.contractoruk.com/499977-post51.html

[AlfredJPruffock]

Did you know that the sum total of social spending (social security, healthcare and education) is considerably more than the some total raised by income taxes? (Income taxes = income tax, National Insurance and Corporation Tax.)

Now even the least socialist countries usually have social spending up to a point, e.g. on basic education, nevertheless, social spending is not a core function of the state. So, in principal, you could leave social spending in its natural home in the private sector and abolish all income taxes in the UK, and there would still be change left over you could use to reduce the rate of VAT.

Excellent points - my view is Income Tax should be abolished -the savings derived from dismantling the Tax Gathering machine would be enormous - and as for the displaced Civil Servnats - are there no workhouses ?

Now that would be a truly Moral action.

Hot off the press -

Yorkshire Nurse having served over 40 years in the NHS has been informed that her pension entitlement from her contributions totals just TWENTY ONE PENCE (40 CENTS) per week.
The Nurse, whose identity we have chosen not to reveal, recently injured herself at work and like many other female Nurses was given the option to pay just 50% National Insurance contributions, known in Britain as the stamp, no mention was made of the future consequences of taking such an opt-out and despite the years of service the Nurse has been informed she will not receive any disability payments or similar benefits due to failing to pay enough National Insurance contributions.

[IR35 Avoider]

That's because they have oil, you twat.

Did you know that the sum total of social spending (social security, healthcare and education) is considerably more than the sum total raised by income taxes? (Income taxes = income tax, National Insurance and Corporation Tax.)

Now even the least socialist countries usually have social spending up to a point, e.g. on basic education, nevertheless, social spending is not a core function of the state. So, in principal, you could leave social spending in its natural home in the private sector and abolish all income taxes in the UK, and there would still be change left over you could use to reduce the rate of VAT.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Do you wear tight pants and a silly hat with an ostrich feather sticking out of it Alf?

I dont - unless you want me to ...

The Jolly Beggar

[DodgyAgent]

Render as I recall ...

A fig for those by law protected!
Liberty's a glorious feast!
Courts for cowards were erected,
Taxes raised to Rob the People !

What is title, what is treasure,
What is reputation's care?
If we lead a life of pleasure,
'Tis no matter how or where!

Do you wear tight pants and a silly hat with an ostrich feather sticking out of it Alf?

[crack_ho]

We all have a moral duty to support harems...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...e_id=1770&ct=5

[AlfredJPruffock]

Render as I recall ...

A fig for those by law protected!
Liberty's a glorious feast!
Courts for cowards were erected,
Taxes raised to Rob the People !

What is title, what is treasure,
What is reputation's care?
If we lead a life of pleasure,
'Tis no matter how or where!

[BrilloPad]

In fact the UK has more oil than Dubai.

It is interesting how we are brainwashed into believing that taxes go to "curing our children when they are ill" or protecting us from evil (which is now protecting us from ourselves, but that is another story). In reality it is our taxes that are used to create the social problems we have in the first place.

Our NHS is not run for our benefit. Our needs and benefits are well down the list of beneficiaries. The job of the police is to raise as much money it can from speed cameras.

Our politicians are too cowardly, inept or driven by self interest to seriously debate the role of the state in society, instead they rely on "Dennyisation" , in other words, making us believe that the world's morality revolves around the lowest common denominator.being good enough for all.

Do you have a link for the oil Dubai thing? My gf used to live in Dubai and she said same - most Dubai wealth built on trading?

The best thing abouit politicians is that the sun reading big brother watching joe public fall for the BS they are told!

[DodgyAgent]

That's true.

The UK has never had oil, natural gas or coal.

In fact the UK has more oil than Dubai.

It is interesting how we are brainwashed into believing that taxes go to "curing our children when they are ill" or protecting us from evil (which is now protecting us from ourselves, but that is another story). In reality it is our taxes that are used to create the social problems we have in the first place.

Our NHS is not run for our benefit. Our needs and benefits are well down the list of beneficiaries. The job of the police is to raise as much money it can from speed cameras.

Our politicians are too cowardly, inept or driven by self interest to seriously debate the role of the state in society, instead they rely on "Dennyisation" , in other words, making us believe that the world's morality revolves around the lowest common denominator.being good enough for all.