Reply to: More Daily Mail fodder

[Churchill]

Actually that's not quite true. The UK punishes attempting a crime the same as actually carrying it out, with one or two exceptions (mainly terrorism).

The "terrorism" charge is usually reserved for when they can't make anything else stick!

[Tex]

Correcting myself

Well in one case the perp actually attempted to carry out the murder, in the other it was merely at the planning stage. Some might say that makes a difference. UK law does not, as it punishes planning to commit a crime the same as actually committing it.

Actually that's not quite true. The UK punishes attempting a crime the same as actually carrying it out, with one or two exceptions (mainly terrorism).

[Tex]

Is there some formula that should be used to decide that one crime is more abhorrent than the other?

Well in one case the perp actually attempted to carry out the murder, in the other it was merely at the planning stage. Some might say that makes a difference. UK law does not, as it punishes planning to commit a crime the same as actually committing it.

[NotAllThere]

As I said in my original post, it is shocking what people do when they have a perverted belief.

The plotters believed what they were doing, was, according to their religious beliefs, morally justifiable. In fact, a righteous act.

There's nowhere that I can see which suggests Kate Knight was motivated by anything other than greed and hatred.

Can you clarify - precisely what perverted belief did she have?

[Dow Jones]

Device

You've made my tosh-ometer go off-scale now!

[Clippy]

Keep digging...

Will still be way above you

P.S. Don't forget to vote.

[Dow Jones]

In a hole and..

Keep digging...

[Clippy]

I think the Master has you banged to rights, Clippy. You can't slip in a contentious post like that and then say you didn't intend the two to be compared.

I do appreciate your view (and The Masters) but what element in particular is contentious?

Is there some formula that should be used to decide that one crime is more abhorrent than the other?

[Lucifer Box]

Perhaps the public should decide?

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ge-clippy.html

[Dow Jones]

PC Clippy

That's what happens when you always try to be politically correct. You have to constantly justify yourself with tosh excuses

[Lucifer Box]

I made no comparison between the crimes and the perpertrators and tried to view them without emotion.

As I said in my original post, it is shocking what people do when they have a perverted belief.

I will let you decide for yourself If I had a hidden agenda (my previous posts on this board will help you judge if I have such a duplicitous nature) in posting it within this thread or if I genuinely thought it highlighted well the way we as a society view crimes and our reactions to them.

I think the Master has you banged to rights, Clippy. You can't slip in a contentious post like that and then say you didn't intend the two to be compared.

[Clippy]

So you're saying no comparison was intended between the planned murders and it was purely a coincidence you chose this thread to highlight the other crime?

I made no comparison between the crimes and the perpertrators and tried to view them without emotion.

As I said in my original post, it is shocking what people do when they have a perverted belief.

I will let you decide for yourself If I had a hidden agenda (my previous posts on this board will help you judge if I have such a duplicitous nature) in posting it within this thread or if I genuinely thought it highlighted well the way we as a society view crimes and our reactions to them.

[The Master]

It was done objectively without getting emotional about the subject matter.

Both individuals/groups of individuals strongly believed that what they were doing was right based on their perverted thinking.

Your reaction highlights the relative weighting we as a society give to our abhorrence to particular crimes.

My comments were not meant to take away from the horror of either crime.

So you're saying no comparison was intended between the planned murders and it was purely a coincidence you chose this thread to highlight the other crime?

[KathyWoolfe]

You are a veritable canine McCavity, Churchill.

You are T.S. Eliot and I claim my 5 moggies!

[Clippy]

I'm afraid to say that's weak, Clippy. Did you mention it in this thread apropos of nothing in particular then?

It was done objectively without getting emotional about the subject matter.

Both individuals/groups of individuals strongly believed that what they were doing was right based on their perverted thinking.

Your reaction highlights the relative weighting we as a society give to our abhorrence to particular crimes.

My comments were not meant to take away from the horror of either crime.