Reply to: Using your own equipment

[malvolio]

I didn't say it proved anything. I said

"It's also a good outside IR35 pointer if you supply your own stuff"

It in itself does not indicate you are outside it but coupled with a few more ticks in a few more boxes it can help in the IR35 fight.

Actually it isn't any kind of significant IR35 differentiator, simply because the case can be argued both ways as we have just demonstrated. And FWIW, like a lot of contractors I usually end up using the client's kit for client work on site - mainly to get on to shared areas and email - and my own for everything else

[BoredBloke]

I didn't say it proved anything. I said

"It's also a good outside IR35 pointer if you supply your own stuff"

It in itself does not indicate you are outside it but coupled with a few more ticks in a few more boxes it can help in the IR35 fight.

[Ardesco]

So we agree that you could use the clients resources, or your own resources while providing services to a client.

This is why all this posturing about what/whose equipment you use is mainly bulltulip and proves nothing.

[BoredBloke]

By the same logic, would you employ a plumber who had to use your spanners? You could, using the IR35 logic argue that a truck driver not supplying his own truck should be an employee of the person who owns the truck.

"Does a contract PM bring his own employee's or does he make best use of the ones supplied?"

I know a few who take on people out of the same pool. When the PM pops up, soon after a few familiar faces pop up also.

"If you are going into another company to provide some sort of consultancy service you are bound to use some of thier resources/equipment. "

Agreed, but it can be useful to have some of your own also.

[Ardesco]

It's also a good outside IR35 pointer if you supply your own stuff. At the start of this contract I used my laptop quite often as the loan one I had until the real one came through was rubbish. Also on my last contract they couldn't sort out a laptop for the first couple of weeks, so again I used mine simply to make myself useful. So they are handy to have and tax deducatble.

I would say that generally speaking the own equipment thing is generally the government looking for ways to trap you when nothing exists.

Does a contract Truck driver bring his own truck, or does he used the one supplied?

Does a contract PM bring his own employee's or does he make best use of the ones supplied?

If you are going into another company to provide some sort of consultancy service you are bound to use some of thier resources/equipment.

[DS23]

aside from my first gig (when i had a swimming pool behind my ears) i have always used my own equipment. sometimes the clients let me have a desktop too which is nice but my equipment has all my stuff on it and i need it.

[Sockpuppet]

I like having my own laptop on site with a data card becuase.

Its generally better kit than the tulip the client uses. Decent res, memory and processing power.

Also the data card keeps me safe from ClientCo internet police, plus I can install what I like on the damn thing.

[coultog]

Thanks for all your advice. I'll turn up with my laptop and if I use it fine, otherwise I'll use their equipment....

If I need to use my mobile a lot, I'll ask if I can bill them for its use and see what they say....

[BoredBloke]

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[oracleslave]

deducatble.

deductable

[BoredBloke]

It's also a good outside IR35 pointer if you supply your own stuff. At the start of this contract I used my laptop quite often as the loan one I had until the real one came through was rubbish. Also on my last contract they couldn't sort out a laptop for the first couple of weeks, so again I used mine simply to make myself useful. So they are handy to have and tax deducatble.

[TheFaQQer]

I've had to supply my own kit in the past, but it is the exception to the norm. I have a laptop just in case it is needed, but it rarely is.

Generally speaking most sys admins will not want a machine that they cannot secure and control on thier network. The security risk is just too great.

What they said.

It's rare, but be prepared to use your own laptop if necessary.

I've only done it once, but you never know - current gig won't even allow me to use a USB drive, so no chance here, but some will want you to do it.

[Ardesco]

Generally speaking most sys admins will not want a machine that they cannot secure and control on thier network. The security risk is just too great.

[BoredBloke]

I've had to supply my own kit in the past, but it is the exception to the norm. I have a laptop just in case it is needed, but it rarely is.

[realityhack]

I'm about to take my first contract and I wondered if most clients had an expectation I'd use my own laptops / internet access etc?

I've used contractors before in permie land and I always provided everything they needed, but they were Level 2 support people and I'm going to work more in project management, which may not need access to their networks as much.

If I get offered the option to use my own equipment versus the clients what are the main things you guys think of? I am thinking security, leaving work in the office etc. If I did want to work at home though, having my own laptop would also be useful in those situations. There's a lot of conflicting thoughts in my head

One person also talked about using my personal mobile phone to make and receive calls whilst on the contract. I wondered if this was the norm or not?

TIA for any comments

Agh, sensible post in General.

It really does depend what kind of client it is. If it's a bank/govt/law firm, and you need access to their systems, their local drives, then you'll probably have to use their equipment supported by their desktop services ppl, as IT security are likely to prevent non-bank computers connecting to their network.

If you're using their in-house PM tools - then the same would apply. Other companies may not have such strict IT policies. If you're working from home and require access to their VPN - then again, they'll probably provide this, and a laptop for this purpose. If VPN isn't required you should use your own equipment.

Also - some companies will have restrictions on taking sensitive data off-site, and will require a certain level of encryption on the laptop. I doubt they'd want to support your own equipment in this case.

As for your phone - if they're expecting you to make a lot of calls on their behalf and won't provide a mobile for this purpose, then get one registered in your company's name and charge it all back as expenses - you should be able to get written approval for this, it's a fair expectation.


HTH