Reply to: GP's see average salaries rise 10% to £110K

[ChimpMaster]

TazMan,

less of it.

I just wondered what the latest is with the seond hand Mondeo that Tony bought from a Fiat dealer and had problems with because the engine had too much oil.

He wanted to get his money back.

Damn site more interesting than discussing Doctor's pay.

Milan.

Yes but start your own thread, it'll be more relevant and garner more attention from interested parties. Marketing #101.

Anyway did anyone read Fat Controller instead of Fiat Dealer or am I just delusional from my young days watching Thomas the *ank engine.

*=T

[milanbenes]

TazMan,

less of it.

I just wondered what the latest is with the seond hand Mondeo that Tony bought from a Fiat dealer and had problems with because the engine had too much oil.

He wanted to get his money back.

Damn site more interesting than discussing Doctor's pay.

Milan.

[SueEllen]

Is it only GP's that are getting this pay or is is hospital doctors and consultant specialists?

GP's - lazy arsed flipers on a very good screw doing short hours in a comfy chair.

Hospital doctors (and nursing staff) - overworked, under pressure and undervalued.

Only GPs- and lots of them are now women who work part-time.

Junior hospital doctors have had their hours reduced thanks to EU legislation from the 100 hour weeks they use to do consisting of shifts with no sleep. (I happy as a patient don't want a tired person treating me.) However more senior hospital doctors have to take up the slack. So apart from Radiologists and a few other specialities they work longer hours as a result which are not officially recorded and the shortfull in their hours is made up by mostly foriegn doctors who do none training jobs.

Nursing staff normally work shifts.

It's all UK governments fault. They seem to think that everyone in NHS jobs work a maximum of 40 hours weeks.

[sasguru]

OK Mods, that's gotta be worth an Infraction. Not only is he going off the thread topic, but he's talking about a Mondeo!

Mr Trivial Benes strikes again. Perhaps he wants to trade up from his Passat?

[ChimpMaster]

Tony,

what's the score with Mondeo ?

Milan.

OK Mods, that's gotta be worth an Infraction. Not only is he going off the thread topic, but he's talking about a Mondeo!

[milanbenes]

Tony,

what's the score with Mondeo ?

Milan.

[BoredBloke]

This pay hike came on the back of the new contract. The DoH (apt name) went in and opened the talks by allowing gp's to opt out of the out of hours cover for a reduction of income of about 6%. Out of hours cover was hugely unpopular with the doctors and they thought that they were going to have to pay dearly to get out of having to provide it. The new contract also incentivised a number of things which doctors effectively did for free. So it is no surprise that doctors saw their incomes jump. Like anybody else the doctors are just taking what this bunch of fookwits in govt gave them. If I were in their position I would do the same.

[DimPrawn]

Is it only GP's that are getting this pay or is is hospital doctors and consultant specialists?

GP's - lazy arsed feckers on a very good screw doing short hours in a comfy chair.

Hospital doctors (and nursing staff) - overworked, under pressure and undervalued.

[sasguru]

Tetchy. I know 5 GPs, all nice people, but my god they have easy lives.

Well they probably worked hard in their youth while you were having a good time. It's called deferred gratification.

[DodgyAgent]

"Given a fantastic education and cast iron career path"? - they work damn hard to prove themselves capable of it. You make it sound like they are given their qualifications just for turning up to study.

"Retire when they want"? - I doubt that a person who has been motivated to study 10 years, i.e. to really start working in their late 20's, would retire any sooner than you and I. They study that long and hard for a reason - they are often passionate and interested in what they do, and clever enough to achieve it.

"if their child happens to disappear they can take as much time off work as they like to try and recover it" - It's unpaid leave for them. Wouldn't you do the same for your child?

When I was younger I dreamt of being a doctor to help people, and yes also to have a good, meaningful career in life. Personally I was too lazy to pursue it, and went after money instead... which I didn't really earn much of until recently.

Tetchy. I know 5 GPs, all nice people, but my god they have easy lives.

[ChimpMaster]

You play a dangerous game when you start trying to analyse people's financial worth with regards to what they do.

Doctors are given a fantastic education and a cast iron career path with pensions and job securities thrown in. They can now work when they choose, retire when they want and if their child happens to disappear they can take as much time off work as they like to try and recover it.

"Given a fantastic education and cast iron career path"? - they work damn hard to prove themselves capable of it. You make it sound like they are given their qualifications just for turning up to study.

"Retire when they want"? - I doubt that a person who has been motivated to study 10 years, i.e. to really start working in their late 20's, would retire any sooner than you and I. They study that long and hard for a reason - they are often passionate and interested in what they do, and clever enough to achieve it.

"if their child happens to disappear they can take as much time off work as they like to try and recover it" - It's unpaid leave for them. Wouldn't you do the same for your child?

When I was younger I dreamt of being a doctor to help people, and yes also to have a good, meaningful career in life. Personally I was too lazy to pursue it, and went after money instead... which I didn't really earn much of until recently.

Edit: And more to boot - most recruitment cons that I know, including friends, are only in that path because they were too uneducated to get a career anywhere else. It was the easiest job they could walk into and earn > £16k a year basic.

[DodgyAgent]

Odd comment coming from a Rec Con DA.

We are exposed a little on this one

[DodgyAgent]

Harsh, but fair.

I know a lot of GPs. Most of them play golf a lot they live in nice houses in nice parts of the country. They are never challenged or questioned, and really they dont care about their patients as much as you think. Hospital doctors are different.

[shaunbhoy]

You play a dangerous game when you start trying to analyse people's financial worth with regards to what they do.

Odd comment coming from a Rec Con DA.

[DimPrawn]

You play a dangerous game when you start trying to analyse people's financial worth with regards to what they do.

Doctors are given a fantastic education and a cast iron career path with pensions and job securities thrown in. They can now work when they choose, retire when they want and if their child happens to disappear they can take as much time off work as they like to try and recover it.

Harsh, but fair.