Reply to: Ltd. Deserter, Umbrella first timer: Giant

[barry_abs]

FYI, giant just called in a flap.. they "DO NOT" tie you in any way shape or form - you are free to switch umbrellas, same contract no problem..

the clause i mentioned does not mean you can't use a different umbrella on the same gig within six months of termination with Giant, it means you can't work for the customer within 6 months of termination via anybody else but the agency, .. "the company" in this clause actually means "the agency", not "Giant" as it actually states "the company" means at the top of the contract.

[barry_abs]

thanks for chipping in Lisa.. this contract i've been offered could run on indefinitely, i don't like the idea of being stuck with Giant for the whole term (like it or not).

i'm checking out your site, may speak soon..

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

right, having read the terms now; yes i CAN switch umbrellas when i fancy, so long as i don't use them with the same customer (within 6 months of termination with giant)..

this ain't cool but i suspect it's the same all over.. do ContractorUmbrella have a similar 'post termination restriction' clause?

Hi Barry

To save you some time........no we don't

[barry_abs]

thanks for the info, thought you'd know CU's post termination clauses if you'd been stung by handcuffs in the past..

i'll study contractorumbrellas terms today (feck me this is boring )

[WotNxt]

right, having read the terms now; yes i CAN switch umbrellas when i fancy, so long as i don't use them with the same customer (within 6 months of termination with giant)..

this ain't cool but i suspect it's the same all over.. do ContractorUmbrella have a similar 'post termination restriction' clause?

That doesn't sound like being able to switch when you fancy! If you have lots of customers for short gigs and not much repeat business then you'll be ok I guess. But then if you do, why would you use an umbrella when your LTD outside IR35 would give you far more in your pocket?

And yes, you need to ask Contractor Umbrella http://www.contractorumbrella.com/ yourself and their phone number is 01206 761326 (to save you the trouble of finding it yourself).

[TheFaQQer]

right, having read the terms now; yes i CAN switch umbrellas when i fancy, so long as i don't use them with the same customer (within 6 months of termination with giant)..

this ain't cool but i suspect it's the same all over.. do ContractorUmbrella have a similar 'post termination restriction' clause?

Have you considered asking them?

[barry_abs]

right, having read the terms now; yes i CAN switch umbrellas when i fancy, so long as i don't use them with the same customer (within 6 months of termination with giant)..

this ain't cool but i suspect it's the same all over.. do ContractorUmbrella have a similar 'post termination restriction' clause?

[barry_abs]

Watch out for handcuff clauses in the contract that attempt to stop you moving to another umbrella at extension time!!!!

oo, btw.. giant called earlier (concerned as i hadn't accepted the terms yet).. they reassured me i was not tied in and could switch umbrellas at any point.. if true, that would be a weight off..

are there any giant users here at all? speak up lurkers - so far so good?

[WotNxt]

very useful advice, thanks! i'm gonna mail the agent, see if i can change.. it's the handcuff clauses that scare me off.. are you quite sure ContractorUmbrella aren't the same, just handcuffing you from a different angle?

(S&M vibe not intended)

I don't think ContractorUmbrella do this but you must satisfy yourself.

Why would an umbrella company NEED to use handcuff clauses? If they are doing their job properly then they don't need to even try to tie you in since you will have no reason to leave.

[barry_abs]

Watch out for handcuff clauses in the contract that attempt to stop you moving to another umbrella at extension time!!!!

Also, if you are working away from home you will find it a bugger to claim accomodation expenses since their system only allows these for days on which you travel!!!

Oh, and when they update their T&C's they lock you out of the system until you accept them ... so you have to accept them or not get paid as you cannot enter timesheet or expenses details!!!

Do not touch Giant with a bargepole.

very useful advice, thanks! i'm gonna mail the agent, see if i can change.. it's the handcuff clauses that scare me off.. are you quite sure ContractorUmbrella aren't the same, just handcuffing you from a different angle?

(S&M vibe not intended)

[DS23]

i seriously doubt your BONER..

there is nothing wrong with the functionality of my honorable member!

as for the bonest i think zeity's post count ends that argument.

[chasingtheaurora]

I'm with you on this - I'm also with Contractor Umbrella and my experience with them has been nothing but positive.

[WotNxt]

i've contracted under a Ltd. before and found it a bit laborious so this time i accepted the agencies 'preferred' service: Giant Umbrella (i'm just not motivated enough to research every umbrella out there for the sake of a few quid saved).

i've got a pile of legal agreements to read and accept.. are there any Giant Umbrella users out there that can advise of items in these legal docs to be wary of?

i know Giant are fairly unpopular around here, historically.. can anybody vouch for their current umbrella system being ok?

cheers!

Watch out for handcuff clauses in the contract that attempt to stop you moving to another umbrella at extension time!!!!

Also, if you are working away from home you will find it a bugger to claim accomodation expenses since their system only allows these for days on which you travel!!!

Oh, and when they update their T&C's they lock you out of the system until you accept them ... so you have to accept them or not get paid as you cannot enter timesheet or expenses details!!!

Do not touch Giant with a bargepole.

I am with ContractorUmbrella (which is run by SJD) following a recommendation from another contractor. Seems OK so far. Had one query about payslip emails not arriving and they sorted it out very quickly.

[TheFaQQer]

Hmmmm... does that mean that Zeity is indestructable?

I'm sure that James T. Kirk knows a way

[barry_abs]

so, you can't be bothered ... and can't be bothered ... and can't be bothered ... can't be bothered .. but can be bothered to ask if anyone else has bothered...

yes.

brother, i am BONE.. in fact i could be one of the BONEST on here.. i seriously doubt your BONER..