Reply to: State vs Independent Schools

[DBA_bloke]

In general yes, but I once was unlucky enough to be interviewed by some pleb who'd managed to get a job in an investment bank despite failing to get into my school - still had a chip on his shoulder!

La-di-da little lord Fauntleroy!

[hugebrain]

Is it the case that a private education will, even if one is a bit thick, still allow one to get on later in life, owing to a "posh" accent, old pals' act, etc.? Or is that just rubbish?

In general yes, but I once was unlucky enough to be interviewed by some pleb who'd managed to get a job in an investment bank despite failing to get into my school - still had a chip on his shoulder!

[Churchill]

In the dear dead days beyond recall, I seem to remember several ex inmates of CLC appearing sans apparel in "Mayfair"...

Oh Yes!!!

Now, that is a calendar I would buy!

[Lambros]

I pay for my children to go to a private covent junior school.

The result is my eldest son was able to pass the exam to get into grammar school which is free.

I have two daughters still at the convent and one of them will probably get into grammar school. The other is not academic do I pay loads of money and send her to Cheltenham Ladies College or send her to the nearest school which is HEYWOOD in Cinderford? Look at the league tables and Heywood is not looking good.

[realityhack]

Yes you can pull stings to get a job you are not qualified to do (as one person I know did), marvellous.

'Someone I know' did that as well - and it was a horrible experience he'd rather forget.

It's all a blagging game at first anyway - all contractors should be able to relate to that to some extent.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes you can pull stings to get a job you are not qualified to do (as one person I know did), marvellous.

Your comment reveals more about you than any objective point about the class/education system in this country. How is life in Norfolk?

[Bagpuss]

No they dont, but they are born into a world where they will meet people with influence and power. The children of your indian born grocer on the other hand will have a harder to task to move up the ladder than your average public schoolboy will.

Yes you can pull stings to get a job you are not qualified to do (as one person I know did), marvellous.

[realityhack]

A grammar school is not the same as a public school, the results may be similar, but by the nature of it (Grammar) being state sponsored it is still a state school and those going to public school will always think such.

You're right, but that's not what I said.

A grammar school is free to cherry-pick the top 10-15% of the most academically gifted in their catchment area through entrance exams - and is free to add more depth to the curriculum as it sees fit, as long as the pupils still cover the same curriculum content as state pupils. Exams are either the same papers as sat by state pupils, or higher papers approved by the examinations boards.

Hence 'largely independent'.

A few grammar schools became independent and started to charge fees - others offer a state subsidy to those with a scholarship.

But I never said they were the same as a public school - and you're right to say grammars are regarded as state by public school pupils.

[DodgyAgent]

Absolute b0llocks, I know and have worked with people from expensive public schools, they don't have some magic secret way to control 'the plebs'
This may have been true in the 19th century, but not now, those who think so are imagining it.

No they dont, but they are born into a world where they will meet people with influence and power. The children of your indian born grocer on the other hand will have a harder to task to move up the ladder than your average public schoolboy will.

[Bagpuss]

Apart from revealing the big and obvious chip by making your point come accross as a rather pathetic whinge you are actually quite right . You may therefore be interested in reading the article by martin Samuel in todays Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle2591874.ece

Absolute b0llocks, I know and have worked with people from expensive public schools, they don't have some magic secret way to control 'the plebs'
This may have been true in the 19th century, but not now, those who think so are imagining it.

[Jog On]

Independent schools train the elite on how to own, control and manipulate the means of production. This involves, inter alia, allocating capital, maximising rents and profiting from the surplus value of labour. If one finds oneself having to work after being let into these secrets, then one should consider oneself a complete and utter failure in life. Finishing school is usually one of the older Oxbridge colleges.

State school is for poor people who have to sell their labour. The whole machinery of the organisation is centred around 'getting a good job' and maximising the resale value of their labour to 'good employers'.


So it's a no-brainer really.

I didn't take "how to own, control and manipulate the means of production" or "allocating capital, maximising rents and profiting from the surplus value of labour" at my public school - I'm having to self teach it from books and online training courses.

You're right though working is for numpties

[Bagpuss]

Grammar, public, private and independent schools are all, largely, independent.
There's a difference between public and private schools.

A grammar school is not the same as a public school, the results may be similar, but by the nature of it (Grammar) being state sponsored it is still a state school and those going to public school will always think such.

[DodgyAgent]

Independent schools train the elite on how to own, control and manipulate the means of production. This involves, inter alia, allocating capital, maximising rents and profiting from the surplus value of labour. If one finds oneself having to work after being let into these secrets, then one should consider oneself a complete and utter failure in life. Finishing school is usually one of the older Oxbridge colleges.

State school is for poor people who have to sell their labour. The whole machinery of the organisation is centred around 'getting a good job' and maximising the resale value of their labour to 'good employers'.


So it's a no-brainer really.

Apart from revealing the big and obvious chip by making your point come accross as a rather pathetic whinge you are actually quite right . You may therefore be interested in reading the article by martin Samuel in todays Times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle2591874.ece

[realityhack]

You've just confused the poll. State or Public school would be a better definition

Grammar, public, private and independent schools are all, largely, independent.
There's a difference between public and private schools.

[realityhack]

If one finds oneself having to work after being let into these secrets, then one should consider oneself a complete and utter failure in life.

What utter rubbish - there may well be independent schools where 'having to work' in later life is frowned upon, but you are by no means a failure if you do. If your friends think this is the case - then they aren't friends worth having.

IMHO:
70% of independent schools scrape by, giving the pupils a slight edge.
25% of them offer excellent opportunities to those prepared to study hard and reap the rewards.
I'd say therefore that 95% of these schools instil a strong work ethic.

The 5% that breed besuited barrow boys and upturned nosed cretins would benefit only those with the real connections to back them up - a lot fall by the wayside, disillusioned by the slap in the face that is reality, unable to cope with a day's hard work.

Most of the rest are eventually exposed for the prats they are - usually in the full glare of the media, as politicians, celebrities and loudmouths. It's the quiet ones you should watch out for.