Reply to: Oracle Contracting and rates

[lilelvis2000]

Gosh , where's that! that would be a large increase on my current rate...where I do both Oracle and Access development.

I like Oracle too...but I've found more bugs in six months of Oracle development than I ever did in three years of SQL Server development.

Found another one this morning. The DBA suggested a restart....That reminds me of Windows 3.1..get an error...reboot.

[MobileCheese]

£550 - £560 a day for Oracle developers at my place, location London.

[mace]

I see. DB2 is good, no question, but owing to it being a bit of a niche market, it's never going to get the sort of investment that Oracle or SQL Server does. Shame, because IBM's stuff is usually excellent. They just don't have a clue about selling their wares.

I'd agree with you on that. My perception of the database market is:-

Oracle dominant on unix/linux platforms but losing market share to DB2 and specialist vendors on unix and to SQL*Server on windows.

DB2 on unix/linux/windows beginning to make some noise. Dominant on mainframe and as/400.

SQL*Server is dominant on windows platforms and seems to be the database of choice for data marts.

Teradata/Netezza/Datallegro etc. specialist warehouse appliance vendors.

Database vendors market share seem much more evenly spread in data warehousing than in the transactional database arena.

[DBA_bloke]

Only because I didn't know where to pitch my comeback

If you say DB2 to somebody with no idea, they immediate assume you want to run it on an x86 box.

I see. DB2 is good, no question, but owing to it being a bit of a niche market, it's never going to get the sort of investment that Oracle or SQL Server does. Shame, because IBM's stuff is usually excellent. They just don't have a clue about selling their wares.

[Moscow Mule]

You are confusing a platform with an RDBMS.

Only because I didn't know where to pitch my comeback

If you say DB2 to somebody with no idea, they immediate assume you want to run it on an x86 box.

[DBA_bloke]

I agree, most companies don't need it and fail to understand the concept of appropriate technologies.

Its the 'Oracle' word... - business guys get all hot under the collar - IT guys get their dicks out, do helicopteros and start teabagging each other - with a bit of tech talk for foreplay - its hideous to watch.

more women in IT please - I can't stand all the techy/macho posturing

It isn't posturing. Oracle is the best. Women in IT? Who'd cook our dinners and wash our clothes? I'm all for a bit of Womens' Lib.: as long as the ironing gets done, where's the harm?

[DBA_bloke]

iSeries. Will run forever. You might need Milan to change the tapes ever so often (less so if you invest in a silo).

You are confusing a platform with an RDBMS. However, the iSeries (or, as I still call it, the AS/400) is a thing of beauty and I will never understand why IBM didn't advertise it properly. It's a bloomin' miracle platform. If IBM had bothered to advertise it, then a) Everyone would be using it and b) Oracle would port their stuff across to it, as would everyone else.

[Fishface]

Not in the Oracle world. Oracle is the Aston Martin of the software world. Everything can be bespoke and wonderful, if you think that £1K for platinum ciggy lighter or bit of carbon fibre on the air-vent is a fair price.

Why companies use Oracle with it's astounding fees is beyond me, when there are alternatives at a fraction of the cost now.

I agree, most companies don't need it and fail to understand the concept of appropriate technologies.

Its the 'Oracle' word... - business guys get all hot under the collar - IT guys get their dicks out, do helicopteros and start teabagging each other - with a bit of tech talk for foreplay - its hideous to watch.

more women in IT please - I can't stand all the techy/macho posturing

[Moscow Mule]

Name one RDBMS that doesn't require maintenance? You have a year to come up with one. See you then.

iSeries. Will run forever. You might need Milan to change the tapes ever so often (less so if you invest in a silo).

[DBA_bloke]

Why you'd want to use a database that needs an administrator for its day to day running is beyond me.

Name one RDBMS that doesn't require maintenance? You have a year to come up with one. See you then.

[Moscow Mule]

Why you'd want to use a database that needs an administrator for its day to day running is beyond me.

[ChimpMaster]

............ I'm also an Apps developer, bespoke DBA, and have niche skills which earn me more as well. Cover all bases!

I once covered all bases, on a 1st date ...it was great aye

[DBA_bloke]

I've never understood why, though! I joined Oracle as a bespoke developer, and only moved into eBusiness Suite when I left. I find Apps work less interesting, more restrictive, but better paying than bespoke work.

Apps DBA I understand even less about why they are paid more - all they do is patch and clone. The number of restrictions on what you can and can't change / tweak / tune etc. between being a bespoke DBA and and Apps DBA is huge.

So, as well as being a bespoke developer, I'm also an Apps developer, bespoke DBA, and have niche skills which earn me more as well. Cover all bases!

Agreed! Most of the Apps. DBAs I have known have no idea at all about Oracle architecture, or anything much beyond version 7, having stuck to Apps. and its peculiar, irritating and dull ways. Still, hats off to them, they earn a lot per gig.

[TheFaQQer]

Oracle DBA and Oracle Apps DBA are 2 very different things too mate.
Much like Oracle Developer and Oracle Apps Developer (me).

You can normally add at least £150 a day onto an Apps gig. At least.

I've never understood why, though! I joined Oracle as a bespoke developer, and only moved into eBusiness Suite when I left. I find Apps work less interesting, more restrictive, but better paying than bespoke work.

Apps DBA I understand even less about why they are paid more - all they do is patch and clone. The number of restrictions on what you can and can't change / tweak / tune etc. between being a bespoke DBA and and Apps DBA is huge.

So, as well as being a bespoke developer, I'm also an Apps developer, bespoke DBA, and have niche skills which earn me more as well. Cover all bases!

[King Cnvt]

Happily, you have no say in the RDBMS that banks use for the important stuff. Thank feck. Oracle is expensive because it's good. SQL Server, Sybase, etc.? A bunch of sad-arsed toys.

I guess these city financial places can afford it, after all, they are making billions from sub prime mortgages aren't they.