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[wobbegong]

Very disturbing. I had an experience that made me realise just how bad this has become and how careful you need to be.

I have a 14 year old niece. She is a goth. I was going to see a superb goth band localy and wanted to invite her along. Checked she could enter the bar with me and stuff.
It wasnt untill my wife pointed out that she would have to stay over and would be alone with me for the night (wife was away) that I realised I couldnt do it.

Why should I have to take that into consideration?

I am loath to babysit my grand children alone too fo rth esame reason.

TLG, I can completely sympathise.

I've encountered a similar situation in a supermarket; 3 (ish) yr old toddler, alone, obviously frightened, crying for her Mum, and looking increasingly panicky. I couldn't go up to her even to squat down and ask where her Mum was last seen, let alone take her by the hand to lead her to customer services. So I had to leave her, quickly try to find an employee, and ask them to take her to C.S. Imagine the situation if the Mother had seen me leading her "away" by the hand, even with honorable intentions.

Also, my daughter (then 15) was having a friend to sleep over, unexpectedly my wife had to out for the evening. Rather than cancel and mess up everybody's plans I asked my wife to phone the girls' parents and explain that it would be just me looking after the girls for the evening, and were they OK with that?

You have to be soooooo careful.

[The Lone Gunman]

I'd go as far as saying that all the recent controls put in place supposedly to protect kids from adults have done more harm than good. It's reasonable to suggest that most British adults have no clue of how to interact or deal with kids other than their own, for fear of doing the wrong thing, leading to alienation between different generations and the resulting social problems we're experiencing.

This is in contrast to what I'm led to believe about much of mainland Europe, where kids are well integrated into the community and encouraged to mix with people from different generations to their own.

Very disturbing. I had an experience that made me realise just how bad this has become and how careful you need to be.

I have a 14 year old niece. She is a goth. I was going to see a superb goth band localy and wanted to invite her along. Checked she could enter the bar with me and stuff.
It wasnt untill my wife pointed out that she would have to stay over and would be alone with me for the night (wife was away) that I realised I couldnt do it.

Why should I have to take that into consideration?

I am loath to babysit my grand children alone too fo rth esame reason.

[chicane]

I'd go as far as saying that all the recent controls put in place supposedly to protect kids from adults have done more harm than good. It's reasonable to suggest that most British adults have no clue of how to interact or deal with kids other than their own, for fear of doing the wrong thing, leading to alienation between different generations and the resulting social problems we're experiencing.

This is in contrast to what I'm led to believe about much of mainland Europe, where kids are well integrated into the community and encouraged to mix with people from different generations to their own.

[Gibbon]

OK OK I wish I hadn't made my flippant comment now. Although it did lead to Wobbegongs brilliant joke.

Forgiven, and yes the joke was good Maybe I'm just a 'touchy' being a ex scout and lapsed catholic.

[sasguru]

Why not target any activity that brings adults into contact with kids.

There are now primary schools with no male teachers because of this subtle kind of tagging.

The Scouts and the Catholic church aims are good, they can't help a few and yes it is a few, devious creatures joining on false pretences to carry out their perverted fantasties.

OK OK I wish I hadn't made my flippant comment now. Although it did lead to Wobbegongs brilliant joke.

[Gibbon]

Ah chill out man. You don't have to bite all the time. I was trying to make a serious point. Weren't there some scandals where scout masters became so solely to molest kids - bit like the Catholic church?

Why not target any activity that brings adults into contact with kids.

There are now primary schools with no male teachers because of this subtle kind of tagging.

The Scouts and the Catholic church aims are good, they can't help a few and yes it is a few, devious creatures joining on false pretences to carry out their perverted fantasties.

[Pondlife]

Unbelievable! So in this instance, he wasn't pleased to see you, and it really was a canoe in his pocket!! What are the chances?

[sasguru]

Unbelievable! So in this instance, he wasn't pleased to see you, and it really was a canoe in his pocket!! What are the chances?

[wobbegong]

Nice one. I was thrown out of the cubs after 3 weeks for wrecking the hut (accidentally). There was a whole load of gear (bats, balls, climbing, sailing equipment plus a massive canoe) tethered to the ceiling in netting, and I absent-mindedly undid one of the ropes supporting it.

The canoe nearly cleaved our arkala in twain, still remember his shocked expression!

Unbelievable! So in this instance, he wasn't pleased to see you, and it really was a canoe in his pocket!! What are the chances?

[sasguru]

Scouting is gay ...

Yes that is what I said

[The Lone Gunman]

Ah chill out man. You don't have to bite all the time. I was trying to make a serious point. Weren't there some scandals where scout masters became so solely to molest kids - bit like the Catholic church?

What makes you think that is a bite? You register much lower on my scale of annoyances than that.

Scouting is gay, it is open to all actualy regardless of creed colour or sexuality.

Unless you meant it along the lines of all involved in scouting must be gay in which case I am sure the Scouts lawyers will have something to say.

Certainly some have joined with that purpose in mind, but the Scout association does the usual police checks to try and make sure these people do not get through (paeds are not necesarily gay BTW).

We were having a nice conversation about Scouting till you butted in and as I said some others have been banned for less, but obviously SP plays favourites.

You do seem to refer to being gay a lot. Are you in denial?

[realityhack]

Failed the fitness test and still bitter, eh, SAS?

Nice one. I was thrown out of the cubs after 3 weeks for wrecking the hut (accidentally). There was a whole load of gear (bats, balls, climbing, sailing equipment plus a massive canoe) tethered to the ceiling in netting, and I absent-mindedly undid one of the ropes supporting it.

The canoe nearly cleaved our arkala in twain, still remember his shocked expression!

[Dog_Yoghurt]

Ah chill out man. You don't have to bite all the time. I was trying to make a serious point. Weren't there some scandals where scout masters became so solely to molest kids - bit like the Catholic church?

Molesting kids comes under the 'paedo' label, not the 'gay' label. I'd have thought even you would have been able to tell the difference.

[sasguru]

Of course it SAS. Now go and lie down.
Do you ever contribute to a debate? Some o fthe newbies have been banned for posting less drivel than you do.

Ah chill out man. You don't have to bite all the time. I was trying to make a serious point. Weren't there some scandals where scout masters became so solely to molest kids - bit like the Catholic church?

[wobbegong]

Scouting is gay.

HTH

Failed the fitness test and still bitter, eh, SAS?