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[WotNxt]

Oh, that's right - nobody on here's ever said or did anything that they immediately regretted, ...

Well, yes, I have, actually. However, I have never killed anyone with my bare hands ... which I guess must be just by sheer luck then - as i am certainly not perfect!

[Rantor]

Fsck me, the guy snapped and killed his daughter, and he's now on suicide watch.

Oh, that's right - nobody on here's ever said or did anything that they immediately regretted, you're all perfect in every way.

No, no spit-flecked, puce-coloured, quivering examples of barely-pent-up, volcanic rage on here. Defintiely not.

[meridian]

Fsck me, the guy snapped and killed his daughter, and he's now on suicide watch.

Oh, that's right - nobody on here's ever said or did anything that they immediately regretted, you're all perfect in every way.

[Old Greg]

Old Greg,

agreed with the old diminished responsibility gambit but..............

In this case old mate "child killer" was a shining normal corporate **** wit who showed clear and perfect capability in his job an normal course of affairs......

until he did this, and why ?

Well, I wasn't trying to apply this to this this guy. Just trying to help clarify the insanity business. Seeing as all we have at the moment is media reports, I'll form my own judgement later (although as has been said earlier, I'm immediately suspicious that a rich banker might be able to swing the evidence to suit his defence).

[barely_pointless]

Old Greg,

agreed with the old diminished responsibility gambit but..............

In this case old mate "child killer" was a shining normal corporate **** wit who showed clear and perfect capability in his job an normal course of affairs......

until he did this, and why ?

[WotNxt]

Insanity as a defence to murder is very very rarely sucessful. More common is murder being reduced to manslaughter through diminshed responsibility. Take the case of a schizophrenic whose condition is poorly managed by the health services or which should have been sectioned but isn't. They kill someone under a delusion. The courts will find their responsibility for their actions is diminished (but not removed) by their illness, hence manslughter. Insanity would be a complete defence as the person is in no way responsible for their actions (although whethere they'll ever get out of a secure mental hospital or not is a different matter). Anyway, I'm not a lawyer so spologies if any of the details are wrong.

Also, I'm not saying this applies to this man - time will tell, I'm sure and justice may or may not be served as always.

Regardless of the insanity or the dimished responsibility of the perpertrator, the effects on the victim and their family, friends, colleagues and society as a whole is pretty much the same.

I say let the punishment fit the crime not the criminal.

[BrilloPad]

Also, I'm not saying this applies to this man - time will tell, I'm sure and justice may or may not be served as always.

If there were justice he would be beaten to a pulp. Mind you a few decades in the scrubs might be good - prefrably with nasher from 'E' wing - he's always looking for a pretty cellmate...

[Old Greg]

Ignoring the quip about "righteous revenge", why should insanity be a get out clause for criminal activity? The conviction should be the same regardless of of sanity/insanity and then the sentence reflect it in whether the convicted is sent to ordinary prison or a secure treatment centre. The length of sentence ought to be at least as long for the insane if not longer if they need to be "cured" (if possible) before release so as to protect the public.

I'm getting really quite sick of people speaking up for perpetrators' rights and ignoring the victims rights (already violated by the perp!) and the dangers these perps present to society.

Insanity as a defence to murder is very very rarely sucessful. More common is murder being reduced to manslaughter through diminshed responsibility. Take the case of a schizophrenic whose condition is poorly managed by the health services or which should have been sectioned but isn't. They kill someone under a delusion. The courts will find their responsibility for their actions is diminished (but not removed) by their illness, hence manslughter. Insanity would be a complete defence as the person is in no way responsible for their actions (although whethere they'll ever get out of a secure mental hospital or not is a different matter). Anyway, I'm not a lawyer so spologies if any of the details are wrong.

Also, I'm not saying this applies to this man - time will tell, I'm sure and justice may or may not be served as always.

[WotNxt]

Has it ever occurred to you that he might be insane?

Or do you and all the other vicious bloodthirsty pontificators here not believe there should be such a thing as insanity because that would remove the possibility of your righteous revenge?

Ignoring the quip about "righteous revenge", why should insanity be a get out clause for criminal activity? The conviction should be the same regardless of of sanity/insanity and then the sentence reflect it in whether the convicted is sent to ordinary prison or a secure treatment centre. The length of sentence ought to be at least as long for the insane if not longer if they need to be "cured" (if possible) before release so as to protect the public.

I'm getting really quite sick of people speaking up for perpetrators' rights and ignoring the victims rights (already violated by the perp!) and the dangers these perps present to society.

[Troll]

No, he rose through the ranks quite nicely thank you and as you suggest kept his "insanity" well hidden. it's all too convenient if you don't mind and I am not for the death penalty, if you read my post you'll find that I said it's things like this make me wonder if I should change my mind.

He was vicious and selfish enough to crush a childs skull or torso with his irresponsible blows because the child disturbed him at night, that is a cop out and I hope he is found sane and locked up in a normal prison.

I suggest you read the article in full before you jump to conclusions.

I must admit when I read about it I suspected a series of frantic phone calls to the company lawyers and sectioning being a damage limitation exercise... might be too cynical.

[barely_pointless]

Has it ever occurred to you that he might be insane?

Or do you and all the other vicious bloodthirsty pontificators here not believe there should be such a thing as insanity because that would remove the possibility of your righteous revenge?

No, he rose through the ranks quite nicely thank you and as you suggest kept his "insanity" well hidden. it's all too convenient if you don't mind and I am not for the death penalty, if you read my post you'll find that I said it's things like this make me wonder if I should change my mind.

He was vicious and selfish enough to crush a childs skull or torso with his irresponsible blows because the child disturbed him at night, that is a cop out and I hope he is found sane and locked up in a normal prison.

I suggest you read the article in full before you jump to conclusions.

[ChimpMaster]

In some ways Thatcher is to blame - but made us competitive globally.

Maybe solution is localistion as opposed to globalisation?

It would be nice to be part of a community rather than a nobody in a huge cesspool.

[BrilloPad]

It's this f*cked up country and the rest of the money grabbing world where people only think about how much money they can make and what it can buy them.

I must admit I've been really stressed lately and hate coming into work every day to such a demotivating environment. But going home to my 1 year old daughter is the best tonic ever.

In some ways Thatcher is to blame - but made us competitive globally.

Maybe solution is localistion as opposed to globalisation?

[Troll]

I fell the same way. As I said on another thread I am seriously considering not seeking for an extension to this contract and taking some time off with my wife and 8 month old daughter. Sod the money for a few months. Go back when the weather turns sh1te.

Top man...

[TheRightStuff]

It's this f*cked up country and the rest of the money grabbing world where people only think about how much money they can make and what it can buy them.

I must admit I've been really stressed lately and hate coming into work every day to such a demotivating environment. But going home to my 1 year old daughter is the best tonic ever.

I fell the same way. As I said on another thread I am seriously considering not seeking for an extension to this contract and taking some time off with my wife and 8 month old daughter. Sod the money for a few months. Go back when the weather turns sh1te.