Voters will judge us all - Brown

[milanbenes]

Kyajae,

seeing you starting threads like this, I guess we have succeeded in breaking you into the CUK mould.

Milan.

[milanbenes]

nothing lasts for ever and I cannot say that in ten years time I will be earning what I do today, who knows, more than likely based upon my life experience todate I will have to adapt to survive and to be prepared to adapt and commercially/career wise be willing to reincarnate as the times change

things are not like they were for my dad and my grandfather and previous generations, there is no job for life and we cannot expect to stay with the same company, technology, career and start at 20 and finish atr 60 earning the highest wage of our career and a good pension in the wings

so to answer your question, in my opinion we have to think in terms of, 'all things considered', how are we doing ? I'd say you are doing alright.

If you're not, then it's your responsibility to your family and yourself to make the effort and at minimum explore other opportunities.


As for the rest of the people, well I am sorry to say that's the way the world is, there will always be rich, poor, middle etc, in the same respect as there will always be havebeens and havenots.

Milan.

[malvolio]

ja ja Malvolio,

it is easy for informed opinion to say that, however, nobody knows in the world chaos, what the situation would have been for the last ten years with the Tories at the helm.

If we assume our informed opinion to be correct, and accept that you would be 4k gbp better off a year under a different regime...

a, 4k gbp is not the be all and end all

b, how do we know that without the Economic Miracle, how do we know that under a different regime there would have been ten successive years of prosperity ? great you might have been 4k a year better off but who's to say it would have lasted for 10 years ? great 4k a year better off but what if it was only for the five years 97 to 2003 and we'd been in recession since then ?

Nobody can deny, the Economic Miracle has led to ten years of 'fill yer boots lads', and let's hope it continues.

Gordo's given you the chance to earn, it's your job to be wise with the rewards.

Milan.

It's not the clever ones like you and me, it's the ones that are too dim to understand the damage being done, the ones who are actually running on accumulated debt and the ones who actually believe that somehow Gay Gordon has assisted the economic position of the UK - which would have actually been better had we not been tied down by his restrictions and over-dependence on centralisation of almost everything that moves.

For myself I was earning a lot more 9 years ago than I am now, on roughly the same day rates. That's not exactly progress.

That, and he's a lying, cowardly, two-faced opportunist who has no right or ability to be at the head of our country.

[milanbenes]

Zeitghost,

of all the people here you must know, create your own pension.

Milan.

[milanbenes]

ja ja Malvolio,

it is easy for informed opinion to say that, however, nobody knows in the world chaos, what the situation would have been for the last ten years with the Tories at the helm.

If we assume our informed opinion to be correct, and accept that you would be 4k gbp better off a year under a different regime...

a, 4k gbp is not the be all and end all

b, how do we know that without the Economic Miracle, how do we know that under a different regime there would have been ten successive years of prosperity ? great you might have been 4k a year better off but who's to say it would have lasted for 10 years ? great 4k a year better off but what if it was only for the five years 97 to 2003 and we'd been in recession since then ?

Nobody can deny, the Economic Miracle has led to ten years of 'fill yer boots lads', and let's hope it continues.

Gordo's given you the chance to earn, it's your job to be wise with the rewards.

Milan.

[malvolio]

Look lads,

be careful what you wish for.

If it wasn't for the Gordonomics and Economic Miracle most of the people here would not be enjoying the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.

Simple advice, no matter what you think of the underlying formula, it is enabling us lot to do ok, so bank your gains, invest wisely and hope that the economic miracle continues.

Milan.

No, I agree. Informed opinion is that we would be around £4000 a year better off, in a more competitive trading environment and would have some idea about whether or not what we were doing for a living was in line with the rules...

[milanbenes]

Look lads,

be careful what you wish for.

If it wasn't for the Gordonomics and Economic Miracle most of the people here would not be enjoying the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed.

Simple advice, no matter what you think of the underlying formula, it is enabling us lot to do ok, so bank your gains, invest wisely and hope that the economic miracle continues.

Milan.

[wendigo100]

You'd think people would have learned by now - GB only ever adds taxes.

I'd guess at least half the electorate really aren't interested.

Most voters treat elections as Man United versus Chelsea.

[bobhope]

The really really sad thing is a lot of people will actually think like that.

I rarely discuss politics in the pub - for one thing most of them in my local are NL supporters and it's too easy to wind them up - but I couldn't let the comment one of them made about the last "Tax Saving budget and the cuts he made". I ran through the real sums, that after the removal of the 10% band most people on less than £40k were now several hiundreds a year worse off... The conversation rapidly switched to darts.

You'd think people would have learned by now - GB only ever adds taxes.

[Gonzo]

You are surprised at my statement.

There are some who need reminding how elections work. Elections are not decided by opinion polls, by the Daily Mail, or by single-issue parties. They are decided by the ballot box.

Voters have been judging us for ten years, during which time they have elected the Labour party three times in general elections, each time with a large majority.

And do you know the biggest reason why voters continue to elect us? It is because voters can see, quite clearly, that Labour is the party of economic competence, proven by the ten years of unprecedented stability and prosperity that followed the boom and bust years of the Conservative governments.

Therefore, when all the froth is blown away, and voters are arriving at polling stations, they will stare out over the abyss of electing Nationalists in Scotland, or Conservatives in England, and remember that the Labour party has been, is, and will be the only party for hard working families, for business, and for those less fortunate.

I thought that this id was someone taking the pi$$. Now I think that maybe it is genuine

[malvolio]

The really really sad thing is a lot of people will actually think like that.

I rarely discuss politics in the pub - for one thing most of them in my local are NL supporters and it's too easy to wind them up - but I couldn't let the comment one of them made about the last "Tax Saving budget and the cuts he made". I ran through the real sums, that after the removal of the 10% band most people on less than £40k were now several hiundreds a year worse off... The conversation rapidly switched to darts.

[gordonbrown]

You are surprised at my statement.

There are some who need reminding how elections work. Elections are not decided by opinion polls, by the Daily Mail, or by single-issue parties. They are decided by the ballot box.

Voters have been judging us for ten years, during which time they have elected the Labour party three times in general elections, each time with a large majority.

And do you know the biggest reason why voters continue to elect us? It is because voters can see, quite clearly, that Labour is the party of economic competence, proven by the ten years of unprecedented stability and prosperity that followed the boom and bust years of the Conservative governments.

Therefore, when all the froth is blown away, and voters are arriving at polling stations, they will stare out over the abyss of electing Nationalists in Scotland, or Conservatives in England, and remember that the Labour party has been, is, and will be the only party for hard working families, for business, and for those less fortunate.

[Kyajae]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6604817.stm

Really?? Surely not!! Well, you could have knocked me down with a kleenex!

Would a more fitting headline be something like "Brown wakes up from 10-year coma?