Reply to: Why we need Sharia law

[wendigo100]

Well for anyone elses dog its OTT. If it were my dog, Id like them and their family to pogo stick over the M25 at rush-hour...

When was the last time you saw the M25 in rush hour? Pogo-ing amongst parked cars is no deterent!

[SallyAnne]

I would think that chopping the hand off someone who has that little respect for personal property rights and the community he lives in in general would serve as significant deterrent for the individual and future potential thieves.
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I'll never ever agree with this.

People tend to steal when: -

a) they're young. Crazy, stupid, mixed up teenagers who make daft decisions shouldn't have to suffer from a disability for the rest of their lives for this. A clip round the ear, yes. Chopping their hands off, no.

b) they need the money. Desperately. Nothing to them is a deterrent.

c) They're pissed, and being stupid. Which is probably what happenned in this case....and we've all been there. I've woken up with salt and pepper pots on more than one occasion - who knows why! I dont deserve to have my hands chopped off because for it.

[Chugnut]

Only Pikeys nick dogs as far as I know.

No, Pikeys nick dags.

"Snatch" - 2000

[sunnysan]

Interesting

I advocate castration for every crime perpetrated by a male. That way GB will always win the Tenors World Cup.

Eugenics in action:-)

[sasguru]

I advocate castration for every crime perpetrated by a male. That way GB will always win the Tenors World Cup.

[sunnysan]

Depends

Chopping the hands for nicking a dog ? a bit OTT methink

If you consider in the UK, many people that own pets, consider them to be part of the family and particularly in the case of elderly and single people the loss of the animal through theft would be a very traumatic experience.

I think that for some people the loss of a pet can be nearly as traumatic a losing a child.

If you bear that in mind, would do think a suitable punishment should be for somebody stealing a lost or unattended baby? An ASBO?

[BrilloPad]

Chopping the hands for nicking a dog ? a bit OTT methink

Well for anyone elses dog its OTT. If it were my dog, Id like them and their family to pogo stick over the M25 at rush-hour...

[threaded]

Chopping the hands for nicking a dog ? a bit OTT methink

And I'm pretty sure dog ownership is frowned on, if it is a black dog you're definitely skating on thin ice, IIRC only the Bedo keep dogs.

[andy]

Chopping the hands for nicking a dog ? a bit OTT methink

[sunnysan]

Allow me

You guys a getting a bit hot under the collar methinks.


My reference to Sharia law was based on the following excerpt from Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#...alty_for_theft

In accordance with the Qur'an and several hadith, theft is punished by imprisonment or amputation of hands or feet, depending on the number of times it was committed and depending on the item of theft. However, before the punishment is executed 2 eyewitnesses under oath must say that they saw the person stealing. If these witnesses cannot be produced then the punishment cannot be executed.In addition, there are several conditions related to the theft, stolen items, and circumstances. All of these must be met under the scrutiny of judicial authority.

It was not meant to be an examination of the implementation of Sharia law in the UK.

But since we are going there anyway, lets first get this out of the way.

Any legal system is subject to manipulation by the local law enforcement infrastructure whether it be a religious council or a judiciary in a democratic country.

My point was that since certain individuals feel that they can walk into someone elses property during business hours and steal a dog, IMHO it clearly constitutes a lack of regard for the rule of law, which is possibly due to the fact that the legal deterents for theft are not stringent enough.

I would think that chopping the hand off someone who has that little respect for personal property rights and the community he lives in in general would serve as significant deterrent for the individual(Coupled with the fact that stealing a dog with one hand is not that easy) and future potential thieves.

This would mean that I could let my dog run around the park without sh1tting myself that every time it runs behind a hedge that someone is going to steal it. It would also mean that I could leave my dog tied up outside the supermarket without fear that it will be stolen.

Now as I previously stated in my first rant, this is not about Sharia law, it is an outburst of disgust that this can happen, and the reference to Sharia law was more about the ineffectiveness of current deterrents for theft more than the a literal notion to apply it in the UK

I am well aware of the arcane and brutal nature of the practical application of Sharia, although when incident like this occur it is natural to disregard current legal frameworks and wish a brutal punishment on the perpatrator.

[sasguru]

End of.

what?

[Kyajae]

Indeed.

Well, at least I now know that if I want sh1t from you, I just have to squeeze that vile looking little head of yours.

End of.

[sasguru]

Arrogance is not knowing the difference between the two

Indeed.

[Kyajae]

When a wise man argues with a fool, the fault lies with the wise man.

Arrogance is not knowing the difference between the two

[sasguru]

And no informed counter-argument from you either, eh?

When a wise man argues with a fool, the fault lies with the wise man.
So to answer your question, no.