Reply to: Would you ever vote BNP

[Euro-commuter]

A big YES to the original question. Of course I would vote BNP, Britain's foremost patriotic political party.

The Supreme Leader even has his own blog now.

http://chairmans-column.blogspot.com/

Does this count as ?

Anyway, I congratulate the Chairman for noting that sheep and deer are killing Scotland, and a few wolves are what is needed.

[Rantor]

On the other hand I'm not sure if some attitudes here would be much different whether there were 10,000 immigrants or just 10. Hence the feeling at times when talking to some Flemish people that it's like many, many years ago talking with their fellow Dutch speakers the Afrikaners.

At the end of the day though, for me, both parties policies and support come down to much the same thing, intolerance, predjudice and discrimination. So I would be disappointed if those in the UK started likewise voting en-masse for the BNP, because despite an absolute b*lls of things being made at times by the gov't, various others, and perhaps a bit too much political correctness, the UK is still a world removed (in a positive way) from the sort of attitudes you can come across here. Or would people really prefer never seeing anything but white English faces on television, having jobs advertised "native english speakers only", and the kaffers considered only good for the jobs no-one else wants and even then aren't welcome.

I agree entirely and it is something I have had a full exchange of views with some Flemish chums. Interestingly nobody seems to admit voting for them but the general attitude to race takes a bit of getting used to as they reserve their core vitriol for four million of their own fellow citizens. I have tried explaining the concept of pissing on your chips (or frites here) but they seem to think they really have it bad.

I have given up arguing with people on the BNP issue on issues of racism etc. as it is a waste of time - they either are already and don't care, or are doing it as a anti-establishment protest.

Having said that, I refuse to believe that anybody on here who is thinking of voting BNP has really considered where it would end if they ended up in power. What makes us immune to the descent into savagery that accompanies this type of politics elsewhere?

[wendigo100]

Or would people really prefer never seeing anything but white English faces on television, having jobs advertised "native english speakers only", and the kaffers considered only good for the jobs no-one else wants and even then aren't welcome.

I don't think that is the point. If it was simply a question of racism, the BNP wouldn't get past first base.

For many of the new people now considering a vote for the BNP, it is the sheer, unfettered numbers of people coming here, of all races.

[vetran]

No its a bad thing

So who was doing the jobs before?

I know in this socialist utopia there are jobs for all, no age discrimination etc, etc. But before the rather attractive young eastern european girls started working in just about every sandwich outlet / Pub / Coffee shop there were older women (many asian) and many less photogenic staff. I assume they are all now working as super models and airline pilots?

Gate Gourmet
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/st...552203,00.html

B&Q
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...22/ixhome.html

By the way how many new employees has your client / employer hired this year? Because we have 5% more workers needing jobs than last year. Mainly at the low end of the market.


Also as the market tightens, who will get the push? Will it be the fit young Polish (etc) person or the slightly older asian mother/ father who talks funny and keeps going in the back with a prayer mat?

The only surefire protection against widespread discrimination in employment in a capatalist society, I know of, is near full employment. Then employers will then take people if they have a pulse and treat them well in case they get someone worse. A bit like 1am at the local cattlemarket when all the vaguely tasty birds have gone home.

[lilelvis2000]

A big YES to the original question. Of course I would vote BNP, Britain's foremost patriotic political party.

The Supreme Leader even has his own blog now.

http://chairmans-column.blogspot.com/

[sasguru]

Outrageous! I know this is a contractor forum and there are a lot of childish geeks on here who haven't grown up and like to be "rebels" when they can't be identified. But several of my family died fighting fascism and it angers me that people can be so stupid as to be fooled by the bunch of ignorant, one-issue, stupid thugs who comprise the BNP. If you want rule by idiotic, venal chavs then vote BNP.

[Troll]

Personally, I think this is a good thing. For a long time now, the police have a longstanding reputation for racist (and sexist attitudes) often written about by academic experts of 'canteen culture.' This culture has alienated the police from some of the communities they are trained to serve. The ethnic minorities are have been mistrustful of the police - often for very good reasons, despite having many good officers amongst its ranks who are keen to treat everyone equally - with fairness and respect when upholding the law. Unfortunately, the police are more than made up of bad apples, they are institutionally racist with plenty of proof to support that view. The police are often mistrusted by the black communities, in urban areas particularly, when their own are repeatedly and unnecessarily stopped and searched for no good reason, other than the fact they are black, or drive a nice car or hang around in groups with their mates not causing any trouble. The automatic assumption is that they have either nicked the car, or are about to hand out some crack cocaine to passer bys. They are also more likely to suffer police cell brutality than their white counterparts. Often members of these communities, who suffer crime too more often than not from those amonst thier own ranks. don't bother reporting them to the police because they know that nothing will be done about it and that the police probably won't even show up. So they suffer in silence instead, nursing their anger against the police still further and against the white community as a whole. Justice is then taken 'in house' pepetuating the crime rates still further and creating ghettoisation - with more gangland attacks or destructive behaviours such as drug taking, hopelessness and so on - habits and attitudes witnessed by young black kids who are demotivated to enter mainstream society by trying to fit in. I'm not saying that all the problems ethnic minorities face are purely down to police attitudes, but their sense of alienation is certainly pepetuated by such attitudes when role models from within their own communities - authority figures they can look up to - are very often absent anyway due to family breakdown or other factors. Very often its the church that does the social healing in these communities - hence the proliferation of evangelica christian groups amongst the black communities to restore self respect, self belief, hope for a better future and to provide discipline to the young.

The more the force represents the composition of the community, the better it will be for all of us. It makes sense. We live in a multi-ethnic Britain and the composition of the police force should reflect this.

The days of Dixon of Dock Green - a tranquil vision of a white middle aged uniformed constable on a pedal bicyle roaming around the country lanes giving errant kids a clip round the ear for being cheeky; or else being in hot pursuit on foot chasing cops and robbers with a whistle has long since gone.

Is your boyfriend black by any chance?

[Nicky G]

A big YES to the original question. Of course I would vote BNP, Britain's foremost patriotic political party.

The Supreme Leader even has his own blog now.

http://chairmans-column.blogspot.com/

[Joe Black]

The view from Vlaanderen

People seem to forget that this is happening everywhere in the developed world and every country has a reactionary reponse to some extent. I would question some of the factors behind it sometimes - a lot of it is to do with self-perception rather than absolute facts. Parties like the Flemish VB have electoral success that the BNP could only dream of with a voter base in one of the most prosperous regions in europe. Austria has their tosspots. Neither are the weimar republic by any stretch.

Well, various founder members of Vlaams Blok or it's predecessor were meant to be former Nazi collaborators so I'm not sure if the latter is something I'd dismiss out of hand if given a sufficient majority.

Certainly, as you say, they have a voter base the BNP can only dream of, 20% overall (up 6%) and 33.5% in Antwerp in the last local elections. But then they're a much slicker bunch than the BNP, with much of the "encourage" all 1st and 2nd generation immigrants to leave stuff being brushed over and presented in a manner that would make NL proud. On the other hand I'm not sure if some attitudes here would be much different whether there were 10,000 immigrants or just 10. Hence the feeling at times when talking to some Flemish people that it's like many, many years ago talking with their fellow Dutch speakers the Afrikaners.

At the end of the day though, for me, both parties policies and support come down to much the same thing, intolerance, predjudice and discrimination. So I would be disappointed if those in the UK started likewise voting en-masse for the BNP, because despite an absolute b*lls of things being made at times by the gov't, various others, and perhaps a bit too much political correctness, the UK is still a world removed (in a positive way) from the sort of attitudes you can come across here. Or would people really prefer never seeing anything but white English faces on television, having jobs advertised "native english speakers only", and the kaffers considered only good for the jobs no-one else wants and even then aren't welcome.


PS: LG, are you going native

[Gonzo]

The Metropolitan Police has been considering positive discrimination as a way of speeding up the recruitment of black and Asian officers.

Such a plan would mean changing the 1976 Race Relations Act.

My wife has a colleague that really wants to join the met as a trainee police officer. There are no places for him though because he is white.

Most applicants are white but they are trying to match the race of recruits of the population that they are policing.

EDIT They don't say that white people cannot join the police, they just get put at the end of a very long waiting list.

[Troll]

Where is Positive Discrimination used? Certainly not by any council or government authority I can think of.

No comment on the BNP, I think enough has been said in this thread.

The Metropolitan Police has been considering positive discrimination as a way of speeding up the recruitment of black and Asian officers.

Such a plan would mean changing the 1976 Race Relations Act.

[Gonzo]

Indeed Vetran, but I'm afraid you have just entered yourself into the CUK PC & Pious Committee's "Little Black Book Of Racists" for pointing it out.

Surely the PC committee do not keep a "little black book"? I wonder what they call it?

[lilelvis2000]

In a Vacum, things expand to fill the void. There is no sensible policy on the largest immigration ever seen in the UK. A Flow of low cost workers is holding salary inflation down and displacing traditional workers - almost certainly part of GB's master plan . The use of Positive Discrimination is offending the majority of sensible people of all colours.

The BNP & UKIP (my experiences of them weren't actually that impressive) are stepping into the space left by real politicians who are unwilling to tackle this.

Are you sure workers are being displaced? Are you sure that perhaps business can't find enough bricklayers, plumbers, electricians etc.. and are having to go abroad, whilst Joe Dole sits on his arse whinging about it. Consider, as well, that GB has allowed many more women into the labour pool, with New Deal and Sure Start - this also keeps wages down.

Where is Positive Discrimination used? Certainly not by any council or government authority I can think of.

No comment on the BNP, I think enough has been said in this thread.

[wendigo100]

Indeed Vetran, but I'm afraid you have just entered yourself into the CUK PC & Pious Committee's "Little Black Book Of Racists" for pointing it out.

[vetran]

In a Vacum

In a Vacum, things expand to fill the void. There is no sensible policy on the largest immigration ever seen in the UK. A Flow of low cost workers is holding salary inflation down and displacing traditional workers - almost certainly part of GB's master plan . The use of Positive Discrimination is offending the majority of sensible people of all colours.

The BNP & UKIP (my experiences of them weren't actually that impressive) are stepping into the space left by real politicians who are unwilling to tackle this.