Reply to: Business vs. Techies

[Francko]

I agree, Making the transition from Techie to business is hard for a techie.

I do find it difficult at time, to try keep things non technical in meetings, but it is essential if you want success.

The worst ones to be an obstacle to a useful combination are the jealous f@ckwits like sasguru who failed as techies and now are miserable gits who want the others to fail just as they did. If people tried to communicate each other rather than showing off what they know better, the discussion can go somewhere. Obviously the technical people should know the technical aspects more and business people should understand business issues more properly. IT people speak IT, business people speak business. IT Business people must come from an IT background so they should be able to understand technical issues on a basic extent. Everybody, apart sasguru, understand that and I would be surprised if it was the opposite.

[cykophysh39]

I agree, Making the transition from Techie to business is hard for a techie.

I do find it difficult at time, to try keep things non technical in meetings, but it is essential if you want success.

[Board Game Geek]

most techies act as though their programming is the main reason for a company's existence

Go to the Server Room.
Unplug all the Redundant Power Supply Units.
Turn off all the Servers.

And see if the company can cope.

[sasguru]

N'est pas vrais. Mois? Jamais. Ne voule jamais pas de devenir un gestionaire. Mais tu parles francais vraiment or seulement tu pretendes de parler comme tu pretendes de connaire le "business"? Mais vais te faire flambe', idiot!

And that is why you're such a loser

[Francko]

I supported myself as a techie contractor for 15 years with no bench time apart from when I chose. You on the other hand are a terrorised mediocre permie, not good enough either to be a proper techie contractor nor clever enough to be a manager.
N'est pas?

N'est pas vrais. Mois? Jamais. Ne voule jamais pas de devenir un gestionaire. Mais tu parles francais vraiment or seulement tu pretendes de parler comme tu pretendes de connaire le "business"? Mais vais te faire flambe', idiot!

[sasguru]

So why do you stay here if you don't like it? Isn't this a forum for supporting contractors?

Oh I like it. It makes me laugh all the time.

[sasguru]

He never went that far technically but he indulged in some intimate practice with his line manager*. Since that day he has "business" knowledge and believes that he adds value to business.

* Unfortunately that's quite a common practice in UK, I have hardly met people with genuine business knowledge

I supported myself as a techie contractor for 15 years with no bench time apart from when I chose. You on the other hand are a terrorised mediocre permie, not good enough either to be a proper techie contractor nor clever enough to be a manager.
N'est pas?

[BrilloPad]

one has only to read the whinging posts on here.

So why do you stay here if you don't like it? Isn't this a forum for supporting contractors?

[Francko]

'I speak as a former reasonably hard core techie who still enjoys dabbling from time to time',

he's proud of himself as he got MS Word to work on the fourth installation attempt

Milan.

He never went that far technically but he indulged in some intimate practice with his line manager*. Since that day he has "business" knowledge and believes that he adds value to business.

* Unfortunately that's quite a common practice in UK, I have hardly met people with genuine business knowledge

[DimPrawn]

Generally, in the permie world you only get fired if you do something wrong.

By doing nothing you reduce that risk to zero.

HTH

[DaveB]

One of the biggest problems I find is getting someone from "the business" to take responsibility for making decisions.

Because in the permie mind decision = responcibility = consequences = fear.

[Lockhouse]

One of the biggest problems I find is getting someone from "the business" to take responsibility for making decisions.

[DaveB]

Having business nous is one thing. Being a suited prat who talks about "blue sky opportunities" and "thinking out of the box" is another.

I've met a lot more techies with business nous than non-techie managers that aren't prats. Dilbert is very true, especially as soon as you move into the financial sector. The PHB is alive and well, I've met him numerous times in numerous guises.

As is "The Boss" character from BoFH.

[Cowboy Bob]

Having business nous is one thing. Being a suited prat who talks about "blue sky opportunities" and "thinking out of the box" is another.

I've met a lot more techies with business nous than non-techie managers that aren't prats. Dilbert is very true, especially as soon as you move into the financial sector. The PHB is alive and well, I've met him numerous times in numerous guises.

[PAH]

how did these people who are far richer than him and don't advertise it
make their money ? that will be the next installment

By selling poppies all year round instead of for just rememberance sunday?

Whilst the brits are in Afganistan why aren't they flame-throwing the poppy fields I wonder.