We are all criminal suspects!

[XLMonkey]

It does if you're not a criminal

Yep, didn't work to start, but then I went out and mugged an old lady. Now it works fine.

[Paddy]

Oh yes, and with a friendly reminder that if you speak to anyone about it some child porn will miraculously appear on your PC.

True story: friend of mine was implicated sideways in a minor fraud committed by a friend of his. They were sharing a house at the time and when the old bill dawn raided the place they seized all his kit, a major bummer for him as he was running a hosting company. Anyways, after three months or so he got all of it back apart from one laptop which they alleged had child porn on it.

He was charged and bailed - could not go within 500 yards of children, not allowed access to PCs (again, a major bummer for him) and ended up living with his parents as they had a place in the country. Destroyed his livelihood. Only when it got to court a year later was it noticed that the creation dates of all the alleged files were AFTER the laptop was seized by the police. Funnily, the police pushed him very strongly beforehand to plead guilty as otherwise his name would be in all the papers, his neighbours would find out, etc., etc.

Yes, a well known police tactic. There are software that will change time-stamps also if you take the PC/Laptop off line or off the LAN you can rest the date time to whatever you want and save files accordingly. (Very handy for you project work)

I have been to court cases where people I know have been stitched up by the police to the extent that evidence had been planted. What amazes me is that evidence has been planted in such a ridiculous manner the judges tend to go along with it. However, I did attend one appeal where a very clever barrister employed an ex-policemen to investigate the evidence in the case. When in court the case got to the stage that he was proving that evidence was planted; the police along with the CID inspectors walked out of court. Five minutes afterwards the Judge called a hold to the case and dismissed the case for the prosecution. There was no hint what so ever of the Police being prosecuted for prudery or perverting the cause of justice.

[Lucifer Box]

Without an apology, more likely.

Oh yes, and with a friendly reminder that if you speak to anyone about it some child porn will miraculously appear on your PC.

True story: friend of mine was implicated sideways in a minor fraud committed by a friend of his. They were sharing a house at the time and when the old bill dawn raided the place they seized all his kit, a major bummer for him as he was running a hosting company. Anyways, after three months or so he got all of it back apart from one laptop which they alleged had child porn on it.

He was charged and bailed - could not go within 500 yards of children, not allowed access to PCs (again, a major bummer for him) and ended up living with his parents as they had a place in the country. Destroyed his livelihood. Only when it got to court a year later was it noticed that the creation dates of all the alleged files were AFTER the laptop was seized by the police. Funnily, the police pushed him very strongly beforehand to plead guilty as otherwise his name would be in all the papers, his neighbours would find out, etc., etc.

[HairyArsedBloke]

... i've strangled the odd prostitute doesn't make me a fecking criminal!

Yeah, that's what I said when they came for me.

[Euro-commuter]

Fine, wonderful. However fingerprints are not 100% proof and there are many near matches. Imagine you apply for identity card and you had a near mach to a criminal or terrorist. You are arrested taken away and a few weeks latter you are released with an apology.

Without an apology, more likely.

[Churchill]

Do Daleks have fingerprints? I seem to remember the animate bit was no more than a small parcel of mixed offal.

And very tasty it was too!

[oraclesmith]

Do Daleks have fingerprints? I seem to remember the animate bit was no more than a small parcel of mixed offal.

[A shed load of Daleks]

Fine, wonderful. However fingerprints are not 100% proof and there are many near matches. Imagine you apply for identity card and you had a near mach to a criminal or terrorist. You are arrested taken away and a few weeks latter you are released with an apology.

Going on about "it doesn’t matter if you have nothing to hide and a few innocent people sent to prison" doesn’t matter if it gets the majority of criminal off the streets is a great opinion until it is you who has been taken away.

Like most contentious legislation get it on the books with least resistance and then expand - expect to see the fingerprint requirement replaced with fingerprint & drop of blood for DNA database post implementation

[DimPrawn]

Fcuking outrageous!

Just because I don't pay any taxes and i've strangled the odd prostitute doesn't make me a fecking criminal!

[Paddy]

Surely the advantage of this isn't just that you can check the previous crimes against the database of fingerprints. More importantly, once you have the database you can add the fingerprints of your choice to any future crime scene. This should enable the police to reach their conviction targets much more easily.

Fine, wonderful. However fingerprints are not 100% proof and there are many near matches. Imagine you apply for identity card and you had a near mach to a criminal or terrorist. You are arrested taken away and a few weeks latter you are released with an apology.

Going on about "it doesn’t matter if you have nothing to hide and a few innocent people sent to prison" doesn’t matter if it gets the majority of criminal off the streets is a great opinion until it is you who has been taken away.

[hugebrain]

an advantage

We are all criminal suspects!

Surely the advantage of this isn't just that you can check the previous crimes against the database of fingerprints. More importantly, once you have the database you can add the fingerprints of your choice to any future crime scene. This should enable the police to reach their conviction targets much more easily.

[Paddy]

Works now. Sorry

[PRC1964]

The link doesn't work.

It does if you're not a criminal

[Moose423956]

The link doesn't work.

[Paddy]

We are all criminal suspects!