British immorality

[SueEllen]

The UK has previously welcomed war criminals and on one occasion (2009?) they tipped one off and he had to stay on the aircraft and return home.

No all war criminals/human rights abusers are equal.

[Paddy]

That wasn't my point.

My point was you don't expect an invite from the head of state if your country bans the people who govern on their behalf, and those who hold all of them to account plus ordinary citizens.

That's ignoring the fact that if you or certain people turn up, they will be arrested and sent to the Hague.

The UK has previously welcomed war criminals and on one occasion (2009?) they tipped one off and he had to stay on the aircraft and return home.

[SueEllen]

Quite honestly, the UK does not have any politician with the brains and calibre to deal with Russia.

That wasn't my point.

My point was you don't expect an invite from the head of state if your country bans the people who govern on their behalf, and those who hold all of them to account plus ordinary citizens.

That's ignoring the fact that if you or certain people turn up, they will be arrested and sent to the Hague.

[Paddy]

If Putin goes into any European or non-friendly air space he is subject to arrest and being put on trial in the Hague.


How would that work considering he's banned the British PM and some of her predecessors like Teresa May who would be meeting a delegation from Russia?

He also shouldn't have banned from Russia:

• members of the cabinet Jacob Rees-Mogg
• the leader of the opposition and a KC, Sir Keir Starmer
• back bench Tory MPs like Jeremy Hunt
• opposition MPs Lisa Nandy, David Lammy and Diane Abbott
• ordinary citizens like Rory Steward, Dominic Grieve and Sarah Wollaston
• journalists like Piers Morgan and from British media organisations including BBC, Guardian, ITN
• business people

Quite honestly, the UK does not have any politician with the brains and calibre to deal with Russia. That said, at least Boris sent weapons and support to Ukraine. Somehow, there has to be an end to the war.

[SueEllen]

Putin sent his condolences on the first day. He also stated that he would not attend the funeral thus pre-empting a non-invitation.

If Putin goes into any European or non-friendly air space he is subject to arrest and being put on trial in the Hague.

These sort of events are opportunities for diplomacy even when your enemy is repugnant.

How would that work considering he's banned the British PM and some of her predecessors like Teresa May who would be meeting a delegation from Russia?

He also shouldn't have banned from Russia:

• members of the cabinet Jacob Rees-Mogg
• the leader of the opposition and a KC, Sir Keir Starmer
• back bench Tory MPs like Jeremy Hunt
• opposition MPs Lisa Nandy, David Lammy and Diane Abbott
• ordinary citizens like Rory Steward, Dominic Grieve and Sarah Wollaston
• journalists like Piers Morgan and from British media organisations including BBC, Guardian, ITN
• business people

[NotAllThere]

Russia is very moral. The Wagner group is recruiting cannon fodder from prisons and instructing conscripts to avoid sex with men, women, animals and plants.

[Paddy]

If they hadn't invaded a neighbouring state and murdered many thousands of their people in cold blood, I'm fairly sure Putin would have been invited. He got his timing wrong.

Putin sent his condolences on the first day. He also stated that he would not attend the funeral thus pre-empting a non-invitation. However, it's still open for an embassy official to attend. These sort of events are opportunities for diplomacy even when your enemy is repugnant.

[Mordac]

If they hadn't invaded a neighbouring state and murdered many thousands of their people in cold blood, I'm fairly sure Putin would have been invited. He got his timing wrong.

[AtW]

"The Russian foreign ministry has said it is “profoundly immoral” that the country was not invited to send a delegate to the Queen’s state funeral on Monday.

It said: “We view this British attempt to use a national tragedy that has touched the hearts of millions of people around the world for geopolitical purposes to settle scores with our country during the days of mourning as profoundly immoral.

“This is especially blasphemous to the memory of Elizabeth II, who is known to have served during world war two in the territorial defence ranks of the British Armed Forces fighting the Nazis and their Ukrainian collaborators Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevich.

“Now the British elites are on their side.”"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...08ee6e81d2aa27