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  • Zigenare
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    Originally posted by Dark Black View Post
    Who is funding her expensive legal team?
    Would you like to guess?

    Her last attempt racked up £30k in legal aid.

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  • Dark Black
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    Who is funding her expensive legal team?

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post


    Now I do feel unsettled by making her stateless, I am all for bringing her back and locking her up forever.


    I actually agree with you.

    And if she is released when she is 60 on license (as she will be ) - no access to the internet/connecting technology and no access to fertility treatment.

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  • vetran
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    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/shamima-be...082227939.html


    Jon, who shared many lessons with the two girls, said they tried to recruit him and others to join Isis.

    They spoke with such knowledge and maturity, he said, that their words often sounded like they’d been scripted by adults.

    Previously known for their love of reading and high grades, the friends had become obsessed with the Islamic religious group.

    “They’d start talking about religion and try to rope people in,” Jon said.

    “They were really pressuring about it, there were like ‘you know, if you don't go to Islam you're going to hell, you're going to die'.”

    Chats took place at school, although Abase also contacted him on BlackBerry Messenger. They never spoke on Facebook or any other platforms “that could be tracked”.

    Jon said Abase wanted him to meet an imam – an Islamic teacher – who could explain things about ISIS in more detail.
    https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/...it-classmates/

    She was a bit older when she said blowing up innocent people was a good thing.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-moral-d...111210273.html

    A teenage girl who fled Britain to join Islamic State has said the Manchester Arena bombing was “justified”.

    In an interview with the BBC, Shamima Begum, now 19, said the deaths of 22 innocent people in the terrorist attack on an Ariana Grande concert in 2017 were akin to the “women and children” being bombed in Syria.

    She said: “I do feel that it’s wrong that innocent people did get killed. It’s one thing to kill a soldier that is fighting you, it’s self-defence, but to kill the people like women and children.
    Now I do feel unsettled by making her stateless, I am all for bringing her back and locking her up forever.

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  • saptastic
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    New documentary on Sky

    Life after ISIS

    Film following Hoda Muthana and Shamima Begum as they attempt to rebuild their lives after leaving their homes to join ISIS

    They are living in a refugee camp in syria - I think she has had 3 children, all have passed away.
    Was a lost teenager and feels duped by the ISIS propaganda.
    A sad story from any perspective.

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by mudskipper View Post
    For me the issue here is that she was a child, not an adult when she made the decision to go. These kids (and young adults) were systematically groomed.
    Yep, also she wasn’t exactly doing horrible stuff like cutting heads of hostages on TV

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  • mudskipper
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    Originally posted by AtW View Post
    There were surely far more men with British passport, hundreds or maybe even thousands who went to Syria, did they all lose their citizenships?
    For me the issue here is that she was a child, not an adult when she made the decision to go. These kids (and young adults) were systematically groomed.

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  • SueEllen
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    Hard cases make bad law

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  • AtW
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    They didn't piss off the wrong Home Secretary.....
    So, a selective application of laws

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  • SueEllen
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    They didn't piss off the wrong Home Secretary.....

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  • AtW
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    There were surely far more men with British passport, hundreds or maybe even thousands who went to Syria, did they all lose their citizenships?

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  • SueEllen
    started a topic She's back...

    She's back...

    That female terrorist is now 21 and challenging the UK government again....

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/s...p-b941378.html


    There is “overwhelming evidence” that Shamima Begum was a victim of trafficking when she left the UK, her legal team has argued.

    Begum was 15-years-old when she and two other east London schoolgirls travelled to Syria to join Islamic State in February 2015.

    After she was discovered in a Syrian refugee camp in February 2019, then-Home Secretary Sajid Javid stripped Begum of her British citizenship on national security grounds.

    Begum, now 21, said this week she was a “dumb kid” when she decided to join ISIS, calling it a “mistake”.

    She is challenging the removal of her British citizenship and has asked a specialist tribunal to consider whether she was a victim of trafficking when she travelled to Syria.

    Her lawyers told the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) on Friday that the Home Office had a legal duty to investigate whether Begum was a victim of trafficking when her citizenship was revoked.

    Samantha Knights QC said that “the counter-terrorism unit had suspicions of coercion and control” at the time Begum left the UK, which she argued “gives rise to the need to investigate the issue of trafficking”.

    In written submissions, Ms Begum’s legal team said the Home Office failed to consider whether she was “a child trafficked to, and remaining in, Syria for the purposes of sexual exploitation and forced marriage”.

    Begum also wants to challenge the removal of her British citizenship on the grounds that it made her “de facto stateless” and that the decision was procedurally unfair.

    Begum is currently held in the al-Roj camp in northern Syria, which is run by the Syrian Democrat Forces (SDF).

    Ms Knights said the conditions are “dire” and Begum is “in a fundamentally unsafe environment in a camp run by the SDF”.

    “Physical violence is common and psychological trauma is endemic,” she said.

    It is said Begum was “living in a situation of serious and present danger” and asked SIAC to consider her proposed new grounds of appeal in November.

    David Blundell QC, representing the Home Office, said: “Ms Begum should not be permitted to amend her grounds again.”

    He argued in written submissions: “It is significant that the allegation is not that Ms Begum was trafficked, but rather that she ‘may have been’ trafficked.

    “Ms Begum herself has never stated that she has been trafficked, despite having given numerous media interviews and provided instructions to her solicitors on a number of matters.

    “The absence of a claim that she has in fact been trafficked means this ground proceeds on an uncertain factual basis.

    “It is entirely speculative.”

    The Home Office also argues that Begum’s case should be put on hold until a separate case before SIAC, which is due to be heard next March, has concluded.

    At Friday’s hearing, SIAC also considered the cases of three women who have all had their British citizenship revoked on the grounds of national security.

    The three women, known only as C8, C10 and D4, are currently held in “appalling conditions” at the al-Roj camp where “at least two British nationals have died”, the court heard.

    Their barrister Julianne Kerr Morrison said C8 has two “very young” children with her in the camp, while C10 has “four young children with her, two of those have ongoing health issues”.

    Ms Morrison added that D4 is “seriously unwell” and has also been suffering from coronavirus.

    The hearing before Mr Justice Jay is expected to conclude later today.






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