Reply to: Join us as permi

[SandyDown]

What things do you want to achieve Churchill?

a good divorce settlement

[SallyAnne]

I decided to join this company because there are certain things I wish to achieve and I feel that becoming an employee of this company will help me.

What things do you want to achieve Churchill?

[BOBJ]

I had this recently and gracefully turned it down - 'Not at the moment thanks very much'. If was unemployed for the next 6 months then its nice to have something like this to fall back on. I've always said that when I go permie this client is one I'd be happy to work for - so I was chuffed to get the offer but far more chuffed that the market I work in at the moment is absolutely chock full of contracts

[threaded]

If anyone ever asks me to be a permie I take it as a grave insult and have been known to immediately grab the requestor by the throat (if they had a neck).

[hyperD]

Client has popped that dreaded question 'would you join us as permi?'
which sounded more like an order than a question.
How to decline this generous offer without offending them.I want to continue the gig here and possible extensions.

"Young fool. Only now, at the end, do you understand. Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the Dark Side. You have paid the price for your lack of vision."

[vista]

Nope

Use the money trick. Present a calculation that means you would need a salary of around £100K. They soon piss off then.

No they don't they come back with an offer of £90K + benes

[wendigo100]

I once had a very honest answer when I asked "why?". It was "because you would be a lot cheaper". However, try to ask for a very high salary.

It is only cheaper if they offer a paltry salary. If you then ask for a high salary, you are cheaper as a contractor.

[Diestl]

For goodness sake....

You don't go through any rigmarole, pretending to look through contracts, just say

NO

If you're in a good mood, a can add "thanks"

I agree why do you have to justify being a contractor. Ask him he would like to take a job in KFC.

[andy]

Thanks Guys
The package will not be anywhere near as the contract
So the answer will be No with some made up reasons which I will think during weekend.
cheers

[BlasterBates]

For goodness sake....

You don't go through any rigmarole, pretending to look through contracts, just say

NO

If you're in a good mood, a can add "thanks"

[Churchill]

What's the package?

A very simple question.

When you receive the envelope, read the contents, work out if you want to join the organisation and act accordingly.

Nobody else can make that decision for you.

I decided to join this company because there are certain things I wish to achieve and I feel that becoming an employee of this company will help me.

It's your decision, you know your circumstances better than anyone else. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[SallyAnne]

Andy,

Because you want to continue the gig here and possible extensions you need to be a little more tactful in your response. i.e. don't piss the fella off by making him realise that you're far better off as a consultant than as a permie.

Instead, persuade the guy (somehow) that you need more time (i.e. an extension to your lucrative contract) to consider this 'exciting opportunity' and show him how grateful you are. i.e. lay it all on and bring all your 'complicated and emotional' personal circumstances into the conversation. If he's half human he will buy it.

So whilst in his eyes you are buying time to consider embracing the comforts of corporate cotton wool, you are in fact buying another couple of grand.

How long you can keep this up will depend on how long you can smartly play the game and how much they need YOU.

Thats very good advise vino - bravo!

[Francko]

Client has popped that dreaded question 'would you join us as permi?'
which sounded more like an order than a question.
How to decline this generous offer without offending them.I want to continue the gig here and possible extensions.

I once had a very honest answer when I asked "why?". It was "because you would be a lot cheaper". However, try to ask for a very high salary. If you like the environment why not taking a 3 year long term contract?

[expat]

Join us as permi

Join us ..... or die!

[vinohrady]

Andy,

Because you want to continue the gig here and possible extensions you need to be a little more tactful in your response. i.e. don't piss the fella off by making him realise that you're far better off as a consultant than as a permie.

Instead, persuade the guy (somehow) that you need more time (i.e. an extension to your lucrative contract) to consider this 'exciting opportunity' and show him how grateful you are. i.e. lay it all on and bring all your 'complicated and emotional' personal circumstances into the conversation. If he's half human he will buy it.

So whilst in his eyes you are buying time to consider embracing the comforts of corporate cotton wool, you are in fact buying another couple of grand.

How long you can keep this up will depend on how long you can smartly play the game and how much they need YOU.