Bribery and Vaccinations

[LondonManc]

The war may one day be won but currently the trenches are still being dug.

The Trouble With Herd Immunity And Covid-19 Vaccines

Scope of the war is currently it'll be won in a few months to it'll be won never.

Moderna - 3 for £10 on Borough market.

[Hobosapien]

The war may one day be won but currently the trenches are still being dug.

The Trouble With Herd Immunity And Covid-19 Vaccines

Scope of the war is currently it'll be won in a few months to it'll be won never.

[LondonManc]

This happens with drugs too all the time. A drug will have horrible medium or long term side effects and it'll either get pulled or just won't get very wide uptake... So then pharmaceutical companies will just change one tiny element and essentially rebrand the same drug... And then get it approved based off short term safety/efficacy... Only for same thing to happen in 10 years.. then repeat cycle..

It's just bizarre to me.

I presume that you do not understand the point of five level clinical double-blind trials that take years to complete and why there is so much concern among doom merchants about how quickly the COVID-19 vaxes have got to market?

[malvolio]

I think we may be missing a point or two here. The idea is to minimise the number of people that get properly ill so we have the spare resources to cope with those that do. A second consideration is that by immunising the most at risk groups, the risk of contracting Covid is moved on to those who are also much less likely to get seriously ill, if at all. Hence vaccinate the old codgers and those with high exposure risks like health staff. Vaccinating the younger ones first means the chances of transmission stays the same but the people catching it a far more likely to be seriously ill.

The virus isn't going away, just like the common cold and influenza haven't gone away. we will have to learn to live with it as best we can. And we should expect the jabs to become an annual occurrence to keep up with mutations.

And infection rates and percentages mean nothing. The only real measure is the R number; keep that below 1 and we will be winning.

[jayn200]

Too lazy to find the source but earlier on in the year I read estimates that asymptomatic spread was less than 5% of spread.

Weird how in the absence of information for people the default is behavior we haven't witnessed before. You would think if there isn't enough info out you'd look at how other vaccines and viruses behave and assume it'll behave the same until known otherwise. It's weird to just say well anything is possible because we haven't tested it yet. Just bizarre to me.

This happens with drugs too all the time. A drug will have horrible medium or long term side effects and it'll either get pulled or just won't get very wide uptake... So then pharmaceutical companies will just change one tiny element and essentially rebrand the same drug... And then get it approved based off short term safety/efficacy... Only for same thing to happen in 10 years.. then repeat cycle..

It's just bizarre to me.

[jayn200]

The only relevant proof at the moment (until more is known about the capabilities of the vaccines, particularly those using newer methods) is that it may reduce the severity of symptoms if infected, it won't stop you catching it or spreading it, or there isn't yet enough evidence to say for sure anything about that.

If the symptoms are reduced to being asymptomatic then spreading should be harder (e.g. no coughing it about) but at the same time some studies of infection numbers testing positive show a significant percentage often the majority are asymptomatic, so it is spreading easily regardless of such an apparent handicap. i.e. just breathing without knowing you are infected is enough to spread it hence the current message to behave as if you are infected as you may well be.

Too lazy to find the source but earlier on in the year I read estimates that asymptomatic spread was less than 5% of spread.

Weird how in the absence of information for people the default is behavior we haven't witnessed before. You would think if there isn't enough info out you'd look at how other vaccines and viruses behave and assume it'll behave the same until known otherwise. It's weird to just say well anything is possible because we haven't tested it yet. Just bizarre to me.

[Old Greg]

I would say he does plenty of non-MSM reading.

The only relevant proof at the moment (until more is known about the capabilities of the vaccines, particularly those using newer methods) is that it may reduce the severity of symptoms if infected, it won't stop you catching it or spreading it, or there isn't yet enough evidence to say for sure anything about that.

If the symptoms are reduced to being asymptomatic then spreading should be harder (e.g. no coughing it about) but at the same time some studies of infection numbers testing positive show a significant percentage often the majority are asymptomatic, so it is spreading easily regardless of such an apparent handicap. i.e. just breathing without knowing you are infected is enough to spread it hence the current message to behave as if you are infected as you may well be.

QED

[Hobosapien]

I do think they should make covid jabs available privately, for those who need to travel or work but are not in the essential workers category. Also anyone who received a jab should get some proof.

The only relevant proof at the moment (until more is known about the capabilities of the vaccines, particularly those using newer methods) is that it may reduce the severity of symptoms if infected, it won't stop you catching it or spreading it, or there isn't yet enough evidence to say for sure anything about that.

If the symptoms are reduced to being asymptomatic then spreading should be harder (e.g. no coughing it about) but at the same time some studies of infection numbers testing positive show a significant percentage often the majority are asymptomatic, so it is spreading easily regardless of such an apparent handicap. i.e. just breathing without knowing you are infected is enough to spread it hence the current message to behave as if you are infected as you may well be.

[Old Greg]

Leftover doses at the end of the day are going to NHS staff and other health workers...

And Hobosapien needs to do some more reading!

I would say he does plenty of non-MSM reading.

[malvolio]

Leftover doses at the end of the day are going to NHS staff and other health workers...

And Hobosapien needs to do some more reading!

[Eirikur]

I do think they should make covid jabs available privately, for those who need to travel or work but are not in the essential workers category. Also anyone who received a jab should get some proof.

[Hobosapien]

Don't see the logic of this while there is no evidence that the vaccine significantly reduces or prevents spread risk, so estate agents with the vaccine still won't be able to do home viewings.

If the evidence does appear then we will all be required to prove we are not a spread risk by either having had covid or the vaccine, and then the queue jumping and corruption will really begin. Otherwise movement restrictions and preventative measures like masks until 'herd immunity' is established and is proven to be resilient against new strains and time decay longer than a few months, otherwise will need so many booster/alt vaccine jabs may as well walk around with it on a permanent drip.

Can't they aerosol the vaccine like the real virus transmits if it's supposed to do the same thing? Chemtrails for real.

Edit: Ah, they may be wanting them to protect their staff when involved with commercial medical properties, but then they will be on the list of essential workers involved in the medical profession that surely is being used to vaccinate those on the front line or coming into contact with them.

[AtW]

Free covid jab with every overpriced house bought or sold, nice

[SueEllen]

Property firm 'offered GBP100,000 in bribes' to GPs for Covid vaccines | Metro News
A luxury property investment company has offered GP surgeries £5,000 per coronavirus vaccine in an attempt to get its staff inoculated early. Emails seen by Metro.co.uk show the Hacking Trust offering to pay the money ‘either as a charitable donation or to the staff member directly’. The London based firm say they require approximately 20 vaccinations and asked if they could swoop in on any ‘no show’ appointments or cancellations. It is understood the email was sent to a number of surgeries, including in Worthing, Bristol and West Sussex. Coronavirus vaccines are licensed by Public Health England and owned by the UK Government, and are not allowed to be sold privately.

In the email, with the subject line ‘Unused vaccine reward’, the company says: ‘We require approx 20 vaccinations and we understand you are operating a Covid-19 vaccination centre. We have been informed that many appointments are not kept and some do not attend at all. ‘On this basis we would like to be informed as soon as possible of any ‘no shows’ or cancellations on any given day which would result in unnecessary wastage of the vaccination.

‘We will donate to the individual the sum of £5,000 for each successful vaccine for our staff members. This can be paid either as a charitable donation or to the staff member directly. ‘We are able to attend within a few hours following a telephone call or email response. I look forward to hearing from you as a matter of urgency to discuss.’ On its website the firm based in Wandsworth, south-west London, calls itself a specialist in ‘purchasing residential and commercial properties’, but it introduces itself as a ‘private medical company’ in the email. The company does have a division called the Hacking Health Trust, which focuses on commercial medical properties. It comes as GPs across the country are working hard to vaccinate high-priority groups first before the general population.