Reply to: DOOM: diesels

[d000hg]

Amazing.. hopefully dealers will start making similar announcements for petrol cars in 5 years or so.

I think some have already - well more accurately have said they are already setting end dates for petrol, ceasing R&D on new models. I'm sure one of the big brands announced they are no longer developing new petrol/diesel cars at all (not sure if they include hybrids) though I forget who.

[Paddy]

who is driving diesel Hondas though? I never saw many on the motorways. Probably a lot to do with Honda diesels not being very desirable with British company car drivers.

I will be more impressed if BMW, Audi, and Mercedes talk about taking away their diesel company cars. They make up most company cars on motorways that I see.

It depends who makes the engine; Peugeot Citroen make a various Diesel engines for BMW, Ford, Fiat, and various Japanese cars.

[darmstadt]

“ Diesel cars have been withdrawn from sale by a leading manufacturer in the clearest sign yet that their days on British roads are numbered.

The Times has learnt that Honda has stopped selling new diesel cars, with the last vehicles expected to be out of dealerships within a few weeks.

The Japanese company is the biggest manufacturer to date to ditch diesel in Britain after bringing forward plans to switch to 100 per cent green technology in the next two years.”

Honda ditches diesel and phases out pure petrol models three years early | News | The Times

Will anybody think of Swindon?

Old news, from 2019: Honda To End Diesel Car Sales In Europe In 2021: Report

[caffeine man]

who is driving diesel Hondas though? I never saw many on the motorways. Probably a lot to do with Honda diesels not being very desirable with British company car drivers.

I will be more impressed if BMW, Audi, and Mercedes talk about taking away their diesel company cars. They make up most company cars on motorways that I see.

[Paddy]

Spare parts are more profitable than selling cars

Spare parts and servicing is where the money is made. My friend who had a BMW franchise got bored one day and added up the cost of all the parts to build a BMW from scratch; it worked out three times the cost of a new car without labour charges.

[_V_]

Now that will get Trump elected again

[AtW]

Not if governments around the developed world deem then as climate change weapons.

Now that will get Trump elected again

[_V_]

Spare parts are more profitable than selling cars

Not if governments around the developed world deem then as climate change weapons.

[AtW]

Spare parts are more profitable than selling cars

[_V_]

I imagine the car manufacturers, once they stop producing new fossil fuel engines will also stop producing spare parts. There will be a massive push to drop fossil fuel usage and that includes supporting the repair and maintenance of older cares. Once this happens, it will become economically unviable to run them.

[darmstadt]

The BMW i Hydrogen NEXT. Our fuel cell development vehicle.

[Dark Black]

Dino fuel cars will be around for decades yet - you may not be able to buy a new one but the millions of existing cars on the road won't be banned overnight.

I wouldn't touch a Tesla if it was the last car left on the planet.

Same goes for other electric / hybrid vehicles. The hidden cost to the planet of developing and building these "green" vehicles is immense.

Until someone develops a sustainable, genuinely green technology for powering cars I'll stick with dino fuel thanks.

[GigiBronz]

Why does it matter what the intentions are? If it means cleaner air then it's cleaner air regardless of whether they make more money or not.

Hopefully we will see some crazy new battery tech that makes electrics cheaper to produce and they can all switch to electrics for profitability reasons.

because it is the same polarised discussion driven by the media. "diesels are bad innit". we should let the regulators decide how they take actions.
then you have politicians jumping on the band waggon, of course stimulated by the big pockets of large companies and bang you have ULEZ all over London.

people here are well off but has anyone taken into consideration what ULEZ does for the poor people? how many million cars will be scrapped just for that? for what? because the rich don't want to be bothered in their limousines?

because you will have to stump up the additional 10-15% fuel cost that is associated with a gasoline car. the discussion is more complex but will stop at this.

Let's use it as a rule of thumb out of this: everything that comes from manufacturers, of any product in any market is bad for consumer. they spend money to promote that btw apart from other interests.
When you have sensible discussions from regulators then you listen. But who needs experts nowadays...

[jayn200]

diesel engines require more complex aftertreatment system, even the less reliable solutions like LNT (lean NOx trap) is not as robust as an SCR (selective catalytic reduction - the one with adblue tank) and still come with a hefty cost. Fuel system is more complex, air-path... everything to be honest.
Gasoline engines(premium ones) are catching up with direct injection turbocharging and other technologies but overall the diesel engine involves more development costs. But once you involve direct injection you stumble into the same old issues of lean charges -> particles and NOx.

I might be biased on this one but actually the manufacturers might be playing us with "more eco friendly product" when actually they are working in their own interest and going for the simpler solution and consequently a better margin for them.

Until we can see reliable gasoline hybrids implemented on everything I won't believe them that it is actually about emissions. Similar to how engineering cars so they last about 3-4y instead of 10y creates more waste but hey... sales is sales.

Why does it matter what the intentions are? If it means cleaner air then it's cleaner air regardless of whether they make more money or not.

Hopefully we will see some crazy new battery tech that makes electrics cheaper to produce and they can all switch to electrics for profitability reasons.

[_V_]

Go nuclear or go home!

You have to fill it up every 100 years, how inconvenient.