Birth Control

[minestrone]

Dont think they really execute that many people these days. 14 this year, 2 black. I would imagine that their crimes were really feckin bad.

[hairymouse]

She is against both. The point is the lefties are only getting upset about the former and conveniently ignoring the latter. So, on the one hand, she'll probably tend to measures that tighten abortion law, but on the other hand, she'll also tend to measures that restrict the death penalty.

Some Christians view life as sacrosanct, but that doesn't preclude being a soldier, nor does it immediately mean being against a state sanctioned death penalty. The biggest issue with the US system is not in my view the death penalty per se (although I think it should be abolished), rather the sheer numbers on death row, the number of very doubtful convictions - and the demographic of those on death row.

Don't forget that recent changes to the way lethal injection is administered has made it a terrifying and cruel way to die. IMHO, sane people can disagree about the death penalty but nobody should agree with torturing someone to death.

[minestrone]

It is jaw dropping watching Dianne Feinstein use a "you can't serve the Pope and America" derivative.

[NotAllThere]

I never understand that. If you are a Christian against abortion then you should be against the death penalty. Otherwise you don't view all life as sacrosanct.

She is against both. The point is the lefties are only getting upset about the former and conveniently ignoring the latter. So, on the one hand, she'll probably tend to measures that tighten abortion law, but on the other hand, she'll also tend to measures that restrict the death penalty.

Some Christians view life as sacrosanct, but that doesn't preclude being a soldier, nor does it immediately mean being against a state sanctioned death penalty. The biggest issue with the US system is not in my view the death penalty per se (although I think it should be abolished), rather the sheer numbers on death row, the number of very doubtful convictions - and the demographic of those on death row.

[minestrone]

“(Catholic judges) are obliged by oath, professional commitment, and the demands of citizenship to enforce the death penalty. They are also obliged to adhere to their church’s teaching on moral matters.” — 1998 article co-written by Barrett in the Marquette Law Review on how some Catholic judges would feel torn on certain legal questions because of the teachings of their faith.

“Never. It’s never appropriate for a judge to impose that judge’s personal convictions, whether they derive from faith or anywhere else on the law.” — 2017 confirmation hearing.

The Mogg was right in his approach, no messing about, right in with his opinion and no apologies for having them. Acknowledged the country wasn't religious so his views weren't shared.

The Tim Farron approach finished his career.

[darmstadt]

“(Catholic judges) are obliged by oath, professional commitment, and the demands of citizenship to enforce the death penalty. They are also obliged to adhere to their church’s teaching on moral matters.” — 1998 article co-written by Barrett in the Marquette Law Review on how some Catholic judges would feel torn on certain legal questions because of the teachings of their faith.

“Never. It’s never appropriate for a judge to impose that judge’s personal convictions, whether they derive from faith or anywhere else on the law.” — 2017 confirmation hearing.

[minestrone]

Most Christian politicians are pragmatic, they just want it done early in the term and not be the only outcome discussed. Of course it will be framed that she wants to ban abortion which I doubt is the case.

This whole discussion is gold for Trump, more catholic votes in Texas and Florida.

[darmstadt]

I never understand that. If you are a Christian against abortion then you should be against the death penalty. Otherwise you don't view all life as sacrosanct.

Logic is not these people's strong point.

Just down from my office is a clinic which provides these services and these people stand outside all day, every day:

Bishop Burbidge leads prayer outside Falls Church abortion clinic - The Arlington Catholic Herald

Police investigate bomb scares at Virginia abortion clinic | WSET

[SueEllen]

She's (predictably) anti-abortion. This, some feel, puts here beyond the pale, even though she says she doesn't let personal opinion rule in the courts. But they don't say anything about her being personally against the death penalty.

I never understand that. If you are a Christian against abortion then you should be against the death penalty. Otherwise you don't view all life as sacrosanct.

[NotAllThere]

She's (predictably) anti-abortion. This, some feel, puts here beyond the pale, even though she says she doesn't let personal opinion rule in the courts. But they don't say anything about her being personally against the death penalty.

[minestrone]

IF you got pulled up for serious tulip in convent school you were asked to explain, "what would God say about you sinning?" WASPs probably just got belted but fenians had to get a plan.

[ravenshaw]

[minestrone]

Roman Catholics account for a bit more than 20% of the U.S. population, yet they are on track to hold six of the Supreme Court’s nine seats now that President Donald Trump is expected to nominate Amy Coney Barrett to fill its vacancy.

If Barrett joins, Supreme Court would have six Catholics