Reply to: Developer, data science jobs: US tech is taking a worse hit than other sectors

[PlanB]

Not all companies are in survival mode, some are doing very nicely at the moment.

I'm not sure if Data Scientist is still the 'sexiest job of the 21st century' but long term, I reckon the employment prospects for data scientists and IT management are probably a lot better than IT Operations and Help Desk or even software development.

Not following the logic on that one, the desire to have your own bespoke software is increasing not decreasing, it will become increasingly rare for a business not to have an online presence. I've seen software development happen without every single one of the job roles you mentioned except developers.

As someone on the thread alluded to Data Scientist may be a transitionary phase, wrangling data then running a bunch of regressions to determine best fit could be sufficiently dumbed down you don't need a Phd in Statistics to do it.

[jayn200]

most of the infrastructure jobs will be gone due to cloud computing in the next 2-3 years
say goodbye to dba, storage admin, unix admin , network admin jobs

IT infrastructure jobs are growing not shrinking. They're just transferring from internal IT departments to MSPs.

MSPs purpose is just to sell more services. Sure they may (I don't know if it's true) be more efficient but they just sell additional services and that makes up any labour gaps.

MSPs typically also have a ton of governance that companies didn't have which just means less efficiency and more people needed.

It all adds up to more jobs not less.

[AtW]

Of course not all firms are in survival mode, that's why those jobs are down 45% or whatever it was and not 100%

Why won't you contract one of them data scientists to analyse the data for you?

[jamesbrown]

Artificial intelligence and chat bots can also be added to the list.

There's also that niche space of the artificially unintelligent chat bot, currently occupied by gricer.

[Andy2]

Until you want cheese on it.

as a dba I will put special sauce on prawnboy's burger

[Old Greg]

DBA's are all weird chunts anyway.

"Please stop connecting to the database, you are making it slow"
"Please stop putting data into the database, it is getting full up"

Be glad when they are all flipping burgers for sure.

Until you want cheese on it.

[DimPrawn]

Nope they only hire 1 DBA for 100 customers. So 99 people doing part time DBA jobs may be out of a job at least partially.

Combine that with economies of scale & automation and much of the work will go. I used to help a specialist ISP 20 years ago, at first it took 2 hours to add a customer, then we scripted it to take 10 minutes, we later added cpanel and the customer did it themselves. If you are willing to add automation you can cut or deskill a whole lot of work.

DBA's are all weird chunts anyway.

"Please stop connecting to the database, you are making it slow"
"Please stop putting data into the database, it is getting full up"

Be glad when they are all flipping burgers for sure.

[vetran]

Just the name changes surely? Cloud Dev Ops guru or some such...

Nope they only hire 1 DBA for 100 customers. So 99 people doing part time DBA jobs may be out of a job at least partially.

Combine that with economies of scale & automation and much of the work will go. I used to help a specialist ISP 20 years ago, at first it took 2 hours to add a customer, then we scripted it to take 10 minutes, we later added cpanel and the customer did it themselves. If you are willing to add automation you can cut or deskill a whole lot of work.

[DimPrawn]

most of the infrastructure jobs will be gone due to cloud computing in the next 2-3 years
say goodbye to dba, storage admin, unix admin , network admin jobs

Just the name changes surely? Cloud Dev Ops guru or some such...

[Andy2]

most of the infrastructure jobs will be gone due to cloud computing in the next 2-3 years
say goodbye to dba, storage admin, unix admin , network admin jobs

[Old Greg]

So basically a chatbot adventure? You been sniffing Barmy's cocoa again?

You cannot sniff Barmy's cheap brown cocoa.

[vetran]

So basically a chatbot adventure? You been sniffing Barmy's cocoa again?

[Old Greg]

hmm this?

Thorin BV - Home

possibly a bit ambitious right now. It will be done at some level of course.

UPS for instance launched a chatbot as ~80% of their customer service enquiries were WISMO much like other service & supply companies. Guess what their agents are free to do other things with the 50% of their time they did WISMO queries.

Checking your account balance via interactive agents both voice & online is perfectly normal yet if you want your drug money laundered the Bank still does that via a human.

[vetran]

So who is going to write the software for the data scientists to use? Who are the data scientists going to call when their e-mail client doesn't work?

Hadoop & R etc are already out there. The cloud stuff is catching up.

Everyone is going to Office 365/Google. The Infrastructure turkeys (or their bosses) are voting for XMAS.

[vetran]

Throw Thorin at Chatbot

hmm this?

Thorin BV - Home

possibly a bit ambitious right now. It will be done at some level of course.

UPS for instance launched a chatbot as ~80% of their customer service enquiries were WISMO much like other service & supply companies. Guess what their agents are free to do other things with the 50% of their time they did WISMO queries.

Checking your account balance via interactive agents both voice & online is perfectly normal yet if you want your drug money laundered the Bank still does that via a human.