Reply to: Raising a theybie: the parent who wants their child to grow up gender-free

[woohoo]

It ain't space opera so you judge.

And it's half a century since I read it.

crappiest review ever.

Note. DoctorStrangelove, thanks for the negative rep and this comment "**** off and die, slowly."

[DoctorStrangelove]

It ain't space opera so you judge.

And it's half a century since I read it.

[woohoo]

The Left Hand of Darkness - Wikipedia

Is it any good or a preachy feminist Sci-fi?

[DoctorStrangelove]

The Left Hand of Darkness - Wikipedia

[mudskipper]

Yes it's natural, that's why I said we naturally do it. The gender reveal party with pink balloons and pink cake, the blue babygros, describing her as "a little princess", him as "what a chunk". But I do think avoiding those stereotypes as much as possible and giving a child equal access to playthings is only a good thing. Just about every parent does it to a greater or lesser degree - seems to me that these parents are allowing the child to develop without those prejudices.

I see someone has already raised religion, but just to say it's also natural for parents to imprint their religious beliefs, their racial and other prejudices, their political bias etc on their kids - just because it's natural, doesn't mean it's good.

[woohoo]

The family in the article are battulip crazy, but they seem loving, supportive and interested in their kid's development, so I expect the kid will do fine in life.

When the child grows up I expect him/her to be on the front lines pulling down statues because they conform to only one gender.

[Old Greg]

I agree with that, but I'm not convinced the family in the article has any less imprinting than a heterosexual / gender-typical household.

The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.

The family in the article are battulip crazy, but they seem loving, supportive and interested in their kid's development, so I expect the kid will do fine in life.

[Paddy]

I agree with that, but I'm not convinced the family in the article has any less imprinting than a heterosexual / gender-typical household.

The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.

0.6% of all people are feeling they are transgender, to raise 100% of people in a gender neutral way is just ridiculous, if they feel later they are in the wrong body feel free to transfer.

If "we" raise children as non-binary and that is considered as PC; surely and more importantly "we" should raise children religion free and let them choose what they want to believe. We should not be scarring kinds with bullying nuns, nor the fear of going to hell nor should we be teaching kids that we are God's special chosen race or the true word of God is from a fake messenger and you will burn in hell if don't do what the book says.

[ladymuck]

I agree with that, but I'm not convinced the family in the article has any less imprinting than a heterosexual / gender-typical household.

The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.

And I guess that's why they are in the paper, to some degree. Change comes when people publicise what they're hoping to achieve.

As MS says, it's far too easy to be gendered in the way you treat children because that's what society does all the time. Gender seeps into pretty much everything we do, all the way through our lives.

The utopian vision is that gender should have nothing to do with 90% of the things that affect/influence your life. Only those things that are literally tied to your biological sex (having kids is the most obvious one) should reference your chromosomal make up. You can't give a trans woman a cervical smear, for example, but a trans man who still has their womb (and maybe ovaries?) intact may still want a check up (not sure how if post-op but I'm not a doctor!).

[OT] I was disappointed on discovering recently that a wedding certificate doesn't name the mother. It is still literally a contract of ownership transfer from the father to the husband. (It's currently being thought about via a Private Members' bill) [/OT]

[Eirikur]

0.6% of all people are feeling they are transgender, to raise 100% of people in a gender neutral way is just ridiculous, if they feel later they are in the wrong body feel free to transfer.

[TheGreenBastard]

Yes it's natural, that's why I said we naturally do it. The gender reveal party with pink balloons and pink cake, the blue babygros, describing her as "a little princess", him as "what a chunk". But I do think avoiding those stereotypes as much as possible and giving a child equal access to playthings is only a good thing. Just about every parent does it to a greater or lesser degree - seems to me that these parents are allowing the child to develop without those prejudices.

I agree with that, but I'm not convinced the family in the article has any less imprinting than a heterosexual / gender-typical household.

The facts of the article are: they say the female labelling as a child was inaccurate, they claim "non-binary trans – meaning they are neither a man nor a woman", yet they eventually went on to have a biological child of their own (a process only possible by biologically female of the species). The buy in from society to normalise this scenario is gigantic.

[mudskipper]

I'm all for autonomy for children allowing to traverse gender as they see fit - but are you suggesting parents imprinting gender on children isn't natural?

Yes it's natural, that's why I said we naturally do it. The gender reveal party with pink balloons and pink cake, the blue babygros, describing her as "a little princess", him as "what a chunk". But I do think avoiding those stereotypes as much as possible and giving a child equal access to playthings is only a good thing. Just about every parent does it to a greater or lesser degree - seems to me that these parents are allowing the child to develop without those prejudices.

[Old Greg]

And then it is this:

Sorry you feel you're emasculated.

[GigiBronz]

And then it is this:

[Old Greg]

Why are you so fragile, triggered and prone to slurring people?

I'm happy for the poster that I was replying to, to tell me I've interpreted this wrong:



You'll notice my post was a question.

You look like a complete imbecile arguing on their behalf, classic "gammon" behaviour.

Nothing about robots? Disappointing.