Reply to: The most disadvantaged Group?

[woohoo]

Very safe to be in the British Army, if I was 20 years younger I'd join in SAS meself

hah, well the SAS do seem to be made up of very short angry people, so you may have chance

[AtW]

But forcing men to potentially put themselves into dangerous combat situations and risk their lives because their life options are limited by poverty is sad.

Very safe to be in the British Army, if I was 20 years younger I'd join in SAS meself

[woohoo]

There will always be poorest people for wide variety of unfixable reasons, getting more people to participate in democracy will get more chances which it is all about - can't make people to take chances if they don't want to, but if you create more chances then more of them will do so.

This country certainly need much bigger Armed Forces - 3-5 times larger, good place for young lads to learn some discipline and see the world.

As someone from a white, poor background in Liverpool after finishing school I was advised to join the army. Even though I had no interest and would have made a very poor soldier. I don't believe forcing young men to join the army is the answer. I have friends from the army, not knocking it. But forcing men to potentially put themselves into dangerous combat situations and risk their lives because their life options are limited by poverty is sad.

[woohoo]

Can you imagine a government form where you have to enter your skin colour to get the assistance. Would they have signs on the class rooms, "whites only" ?

I think it's more about targeting areas of low employment and poverty. As I said similar to how they tackled some of the issues after the riots in London.

Perhaps more investment in schools and supporting dysfunctional families.

[AtW]

Do you have an example of a country that has forced people to vote and that has resulted in the poorest people being raised out of poverty? Not trying to catch you out just interested.

There will always be poorest people for wide variety of unfixable reasons, getting more people to participate in democracy will get more chances which it is all about - can't make people to take chances if they don't want to, but if you create more chances then more of them will do so.

This country certainly need much bigger Armed Forces - 3-5 times larger, good place for young lads to learn some discipline and see the world.

[woohoo]

I bet no party represents your complete point of view so you tend to vote for the party that has the most policies you agree with.

That's what those who don't vote need to do.

Yes, I think to some extent that's true. What if you believe all parties have deserted you though.

[woohoo]

What will happen with compulsory voting is that a whole class of voter supression strategies will go away, and groups that were ignored due to low turn out will have much more power - ultimately that will result in well overdue reform of Mor Onic First Past The Post system that results in never ending 2 Party system - all it takes is fooking vote.

Do you have an example of a country that has forced people to vote and that has resulted in the poorest people being raised out of poverty? Not trying to catch you out just interested.

[SueEllen]

Can you imagine a government form where you have to enter your skin colour to get the assistance. Would they have signs on the class rooms, "whites only" ?

I think that was tried in a few countries.

Didn't work regardless of which demographic made up the majority of the population....

[SueEllen]

If you are white and poor who are you going to vote for? Perhaps if someone represented their view they would vote.

I bet no party represents your complete point of view so you tend to vote for the party that has the most policies you agree with.

That's what those who don't vote need to do.

[AtW]

If you are white and poor who are you going to vote for? Perhaps if someone represented their view they would vote.

What will happen with compulsory voting is that a whole class of voter supression strategies will go away, and groups that were ignored due to low turn out will have much more power - ultimately that will result in well overdue reform of Mor Onic First Past The Post system that results in never ending 2 Party system - all it takes is fooking vote.

[BlasterBates]

I don't think anyone has argued that we want to send everyone to Oxford or even Cambridge if desperate.

Good point about voting. The problem is helping poor white boys isn't politicised if anything you could lose votes. You could be perceived as being racist.

Why don't poor people vote, well as Tony Benn said “The people in debt become hopeless, and the hopeless people don’t vote... an educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern,”

Can you imagine a government form where you have to enter your skin colour to get the assistance. Would they have signs on the class rooms, "whites only" ?

[woohoo]

Compulsory voting is the way forward, but let me guess - white working boys won't like infringement of their freedom not to vote?

If you are white and poor who are you going to vote for? Perhaps if someone represented their view they would vote.

[woohoo]

Because that's how it works now.

If you set up a charity for a social purpose you apply for government grants or get offered them if you have the right people on your board. Charities do the work that the govenrment should be doing.

An example of the government making a co-ordinated response would be to look at how it tackled the aftermath of the London riots. Investment.

Charities serve a purpose but I don't think they can tackle the massive inequality these boys face.

[AtW]

Compulsory voting is the way forward, but let me guess - white working boys won't like infringement of their freedom not to vote?

[woohoo]

Ok, that's not possible to have Oxford place for every pupil, and super well paid job for every workers, but everybody can go and vote easily in voting booth - how many of that group vote regularly?

Pensioners have high voting turnout and that gets them big benefits from politicians.

I don't think anyone has argued that we want to send everyone to Oxford or even Cambridge if desperate.

Good point about voting. The problem is helping poor white boys isn't politicised if anything you could lose votes. You could be perceived as being racist.

Why don't poor people vote, well as Tony Benn said “The people in debt become hopeless, and the hopeless people don’t vote... an educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern,”