Reply to: Bitches Ain't tulip

[minestrone]

Kick in the do',
I look on the flo'
It's my little cousin Daz and he's ******' my hoe

[vetran]

Fair point.

no its not.

As you may know I am in favour of legalised prostitution that is the prostitutes choice. Same for the grid girls, they do have the problem that other people do not agree they should have their job. That at least is similar. Though personally calling the grid girls immoral is a bit of a stretch.

Calling them whores or bitches however or suggesting they are slapped up is obviously not acceptable.

[Old Greg]

Who decides what is and isn't acceptable? This makes me think of the grid girls thing. People who were not grid girls getting offended on their behalf and getting them banned and ignoring the grid girls themselves saying that they actually liked being grid girls...

Fair point.

[SunnyInHades]

boyeeeee!

Melodic cover version by Ben Folds (991,396 views) ..

[minestrone]

As a starting point, I don't think it should be banned (legally censored) any more than I think "Love Your Neighbour" should be banned (legally censored) - I'm not equating the two, just giving two examples. Having said that, I do think that there are extreme cases where music and other formats enter the "Inciting hatred" or "Inciting violence" categories, and in these cases there should be a legal mechanism for prosecution which could result in a conviction and censorship. The bar should be fairly high as freedom of expression is important.

Next, record labels should be pressured to remove songs like this from their catalogues.

Most difficult is persuading people not to listen to or watch misogynistic and similar content - I expect there's all sorts of nasty misogynistic pornography out there as well. It's a long slog to change opinions as to what is acceptable.

can you tell us a musical category that should be banned?

[Jog On]

As a starting point, I don't think it should be banned (legally censored) any more than I think "Love Your Neighbour" should be banned (legally censored) - I'm not equating the two, just giving two examples. Having said that, I do think that there are extreme cases where music and other formats enter the "Inciting hatred" or "Inciting violence" categories, and in these cases there should be a legal mechanism for prosecution which could result in a conviction and censorship. The bar should be fairly high as freedom of expression is important.

Next, record labels should be pressured to remove songs like this from their catalogues.

Most difficult is persuading people not to listen to or watch misogynistic and similar content - I expect there's all sorts of nasty misogynistic pornography out there as well. It's a long slog to change opinions as to what is acceptable.

Who decides what is and isn't acceptable? This makes me think of the grid girls thing. People who were not grid girls getting offended on their behalf and getting them banned and ignoring the grid girls themselves saying that they actually liked being grid girls...

[minestrone]

I mean the thread was really just about "this is an exceptionally bad taste song".

Then greg runs in with "I wouldn't ban it but I want to ban it" and goes on another thread to accuse me of being a wife beater.

[Old Greg]

Do you have a degree greg?

Yes, we've covered this, but I'm bored with your meandering alcohol-fuelled ramblings.

[minestrone]

Coming from a deranged alcoholic like you, I can live with your opinion.

Do you have a degree greg?

[Old Greg]

People like you are dangerous. I mean the whole post is line after line of whackery.

Coming from a deranged alcoholic like you, I can live with your opinion.

[minestrone]

As a starting point, I don't think it should be banned (legally censored) any more than I think "Love Your Neighbour" should be banned (legally censored) - I'm not equating the two, just giving two examples. Having said that, I do think that there are extreme cases where music and other formats enter the "Inciting hatred" or "Inciting violence" categories, and in these cases there should be a legal mechanism for prosecution which could result in a conviction and censorship. The bar should be fairly high as freedom of expression is important.

Next, record labels should be pressured to remove songs like this from their catalogues.

Most difficult is persuading people not to listen to or watch misogynistic and similar content - I expect there's all sorts of nasty misogynistic pornography out there as well. It's a long slog to change opinions as to what is acceptable.

People like you are dangerous. I mean the whole post is line after line of whackery.

[Old Greg]

of course, thanks for catching up.

do you think we should change this offensive music & culture too??

As a starting point, I don't think it should be banned (legally censored) any more than I think "Love Your Neighbour" should be banned (legally censored) - I'm not equating the two, just giving two examples. Having said that, I do think that there are extreme cases where music and other formats enter the "Inciting hatred" or "Inciting violence" categories, and in these cases there should be a legal mechanism for prosecution which could result in a conviction and censorship. The bar should be fairly high as freedom of expression is important.

Next, record labels should be pressured to remove songs like this from their catalogues.

Most difficult is persuading people not to listen to or watch misogynistic and similar content - I expect there's all sorts of nasty misogynistic pornography out there as well. It's a long slog to change opinions as to what is acceptable.

[vetran]

But if you turn it around, it wouldn't make sense to say that you shouldn't review how our Police (and in fact all officials) treat people based on their skin colour, on the basis that cultural misogyny and support of crime is endemic in 'black' music.

of course, thanks for catching up.

do you think we should change this offensive music & culture too??

[Eirikur]

I've heard a lot of exceptionally offensive songs.

It's the normalisation of the offensive that is really jaw dropping.

Says the person who posts stuff like this:
https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...ml#post2764882
https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...ml#post2759932

[Old Greg]

it was sarcasm, I obviously need to add tags.

one minute we are supposed to review how our Police (and in fact all officials) treat people based on their skin colour yet endemic cultural misogyny and support of crime is endemic in 'black' music.

But if you turn it around, it wouldn't make sense to say that you shouldn't review how our Police (and in fact all officials) treat people based on their skin colour, on the basis that cultural misogyny and support of crime is endemic in 'black' music.