Reply to: Overtime Rate Negotiation

[tim123]

I have a contract for a set amount of hours per week, anything above and beyond that (unless it is required because I did something wrong) the client pays a premium, this is how you run a business and make a decent profit

Rubbish, that is how you find yourself inside IR35.

tim

[Not So Wise]

Overtime is for permies.

Contractors get paid for results. Do you produce 1.5 times as much in an overtime hour as a normal one? You cannot argue you are a business if you expect an extra payment for something that is basically of no value.

I have a contract for a set amount of hours per week, anything above and beyond that (unless it is required because I did something wrong) the client pays a premium, this is how you run a business and make a decent profit

[NetwkSupport]

Many contract jobs are now on a day rate basis, which is fine except for support roles, these are often considered minor and open to abuse as they flog you for extra hours.

this is the only reason i want an overtime rate agreed, as i know it will happen! I think the done thing would be to agree 1.5x for saturday and 2x for sunday and the normal good rate until 7pm weekdays, 1.5x afterwards

[lukemg]

Many contract jobs are now on a day rate basis, which is fine except for support roles, these are often considered minor and open to abuse as they flog you for extra hours.
If you are on a decent rate - be tempted to swallow the pro rata i.e. you get the same rate for extra hours. Exception is weekends (when they usually want kit installed) ask for 1.5x rate and ask for it to be included even if they say there wont be any weekend work (there always is).
Put timesheets in for every complete half hour you work but don't take the p1ss, a bit of flexibility = renewals = continued revenue stream.
Once you have proved yourself for 6 months, ask for 10% rate rise at renewal.
HTH

[DimPrawn]

Feck me, overtime, canteen allowance, sick pay, whatever next.

No wonder IR35 came out of the woodwork..

Quote for the job, deliver, invoice.

HTH

[Back In Business]

I don't get paid overtime unless I need to work on Sunday then it's 1.5x. Overtime is for permies though if - I'm at work for 10 hours instead of 7.5 then that's just the way it is.

[Spacecadet]

I always charge per day and leave it at that... If i can't get what i need to get done within a day then its probably my fault

If they expect or ask for too much then I warn them of which time scales will suffer. If it came down to me having to work longer than a "reasonable" then I might need to discuss extra payments with them.

[tim123]

Overtime is for permies.

Contractors get paid for results. Do you produce 1.5 times as much in an overtime hour as a normal one? You cannot argue you are a business if you expect an extra payment for something that is basically of no value.

(I accept that it might be reasonable to expect unsociable hours payments, but 18:00-19:00 is not most people's definition of an unsociable hour)

tim

[n5gooner]

Is this 2nd or 3rd line??

To build and install desktop and server systems in accordance with agreed procedures

To attend service or management meetings, as required

To produce and maintain operational and design documentation in accordance with Company procedures.

this is 1st line or 2nd line

[n5gooner]

I get paid for a 7.5 hour day, any time over that is at 1.5x may pro-rata rate and Sundays, bank holidays 2x hourly rate

[NetwkSupport]

* Building Server Systems*

[NetwkSupport]

Is this 2nd or 3rd line??

To build and install desktop and server systems in accordance with agreed procedures

To attend service or management meetings, as required

To produce and maintain operational and design documentation in accordance with Company procedures.

[NetwkSupport]

im guessing its different for eveyone, just dependent on how good/lucky you were with negotiations...

[OrangeHopper]

Pro-rata means hourly rate - work an extra hour you get paid an extra hour. If you get anything more than your normal hourly rate as a contractor you are doing well.

The manager has the authority to decide whether overtime is available, when and how much. If he says isn't available then it isn't. Normal stuff meaning you get overtime up to a delivery and none after.

[Sockpuppet]

Yep. Get in in writing that 8 hours = x and anythign over and above 8 hours on a particular day is at 1.5 times the normal rate.