Reply to: PPE Shortage

[Platypus]

Countries that managed this well had the restrictions ahead of the events I described. No need for crystal balls either.

SAGE should have listened to Dominic Cummings then. He told 'em so and he told 'em good.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-back-lockdown

[Old Greg]

Won't need one. They are on my ignore list.

You've created your own safe space. How empowering.

[shaunbhoy]

Hopefully they'll supply you with a trigger warning beforehand.

Won't need one. They are on my ignore list.

[Old Greg]

Won't stop Laura Koontsberg and Michael Pestflap trying to pin it on Boris et al though.

Hopefully they'll supply you with a trigger warning beforehand.

[shaunbhoy]

In any case, it seems it was the role of the NHS leadership to ensure this particular model was prepared for, by their own admission:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-conten...17-item-10.pdf

Won't stop Laura Koontsberg and Michael Pestflap trying to pin it on Boris et al though.

[thelastrosbif]

The "Exercise Cygnus" thing just seems to be a real red herring of how well it was known, or what importance it was given up the chain to anyone in government. How many other other modelling scenarios for a dozen different apocalypses are performed and not followed up on every year, every month even?

Do we have an "Operation" for a Solar flare?
Volcanic Eruption?
National Grid outage from Terrorism?
Russians annexing the town of Salisbury?
Are we stockpiling duracells & Sun cream & anti polonium agents?

In any case, it seems it was the role of the NHS leadership to ensure this particular model was prepared for, by their own admission:

https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-conten...17-item-10.pdf

[darmstadt]

Statistically inconsequential compared to the 15000 incoming on planes every day from known hotspots and elsewhere.

PPE shortages are squarely on the shoulders of NHS (mis)management. Even now the pen pushers are saying that certain supplies of PPE are of unknown quality as they haven't gone through the approval process, so the suppliers are sending it abroad.

Though now so many are behind the PR "NHS we love you" bollox () the government can't point the finger at them and point out their ongoing failings.

As Gove put it today in Parliament, the scientific advisory group (SAGE) should shoulder some of the blame:

The stockpile that we had before this pandemic was explicitly designed in accordance with the advice from the scientific advisers the government has - Nervtag (the new and emerging respiratory virus threats advisory group) - and of course it was specifically for a flu pandemic.

So if the NHS are, as you say, pretty much responsible, then these people should be up there saying what went wrong: NHS England >> NHS Executive Group. Notice though that they are accountable to Parliament so if they were doing a bad job then why wasn't that being flagged by Parliament? Also why won't the government release the Operation Cygnus report?

[Hobosapien]

Nothing to say about Cheltenham, handshaking etc. That's the spirit!

Statistically inconsequential compared to the 15000 incoming on planes every day from known hotspots and elsewhere.

PPE shortages are squarely on the shoulders of NHS (mis)management. Even now the pen pushers are saying that certain supplies of PPE are of unknown quality as they haven't gone through the approval process, so the suppliers are sending it abroad.

Though now so many are behind the PR "NHS we love you" bollox () the government can't point the finger at them and point out their ongoing failings.

[Old Greg]

Like patronising you.

I am.

Good lad.

[shaunbhoy]

That's the spirit! Stick with what you know.

Like patronising you.

I am.

[Old Greg]

I shall leave that to moaning cup-half-empties like you to drone endlessly on about.

Gives you a reason to climb out from under your comfort blanket in the morning.

HTH

That's the spirit! Stick with what you know.

[shaunbhoy]

Nothing to say about Cheltenham, handshaking etc.

I shall leave that to moaning cup-half-empties like you to drone endlessly on about.

Gives you a reason to climb out from under your comfort blanket in the morning.

HTH

[vetran]

Depends what turns you on. Or off!

FTFY

[Old Greg]

Maybe THIS country might have handled things better if those charged with provisioning the NHS (FYI that is NOT HMG but IS in fact the NHS Management and Logistic chain) had actually given themselves some wriggle room with regards to the acquisition of PPE equipment by including local suppliers?

Instead of actually putting all of their eggs in one cheap basket and relying solely upon deliveries from China with their 4-week lead times.

The NHS actually ran an exercise (Yes the NHS, not HMG!) a couple of years ago to test their inherent readiness to deal with a global pandemic of just this nature. They concluded that they were well placed to cope.

Where were all of these "stockpiled" items that we were told about when the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Brexit was being played out?

And as for all of these Care Homes, IIRC 84% of them are privately run companies. Since when is the onus on HMG to ensure these businesses plan for worst case scenarios?

Too many whining limp backsliders trying to mask their own incompetence and lack of foresight by blaming everything on the Government. All aided and abetted of course by a compliant leftie media.

Just saying......

Nothing to say about Cheltenham, handshaking etc. That's the spirit!

[shaunbhoy]

Countries that managed this well had the restrictions ahead of the events I described.

Maybe THIS country might have handled things better if those charged with provisioning the NHS (FYI that is NOT HMG but IS in fact the NHS Management and Logistic chain) had actually given themselves some wriggle room with regards to the acquisition of PPE equipment by including local suppliers?

Instead of actually putting all of their eggs in one cheap basket and relying solely upon deliveries from China with their 4-week lead times.

The NHS actually ran an exercise (Yes the NHS, not HMG!) a couple of years ago to test their inherent readiness to deal with a global pandemic of just this nature. They concluded that they were well placed to cope.

Where were all of these "stockpiled" items that we were told about when the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Brexit was being played out?

And as for all of these Care Homes, IIRC 84% of them are privately run companies. Since when is the onus on HMG to ensure these businesses plan for worst case scenarios?

Too many whining limp backsliders trying to mask their own incompetence and lack of foresight by blaming everything on the Government. All aided and abetted of course by a compliant leftie media.

Just saying......