Reply to: UK versus Ireland (i.e. not Germany) approach to Covid-19

[LondonManc]

Even a developing country Iran is doing better than UK. its population is 80 million and corona related deaths are 5000

Yeah, sure. Even the BBC disagree with you:

Coronavirus: Are the bodies of victims undermining Iran's official figures? - BBC News

[WTFH]

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5. If you compare RoI (334 deaths) vs NI (124 deaths) they are approximately proportionate for the populations, so it's hard to see from that that RoI measures are more effective than UK measures...

There is one other thing about this - RoI & NI have actually for once done some joined up thinking and accepted that viruses don't respect borders. Some cross-border work has been done in an attempt to help.

[barely_pointless]

This is the key for me - look how it's swept through New York, yet you can imagine Hicksville, Montana hardly being affected. If nobody comes into contact with "outsiders" there's nobody to introduce the infection. There's an over-amplified version of this in play on Sentinel Island in the Indian Ocean with an indigenous species who shun outside contact violently.

I'd agree with that, the relative sparsity and remoteness of most of the RoI certainly has an impact, I'm Irish (RoI) originally and my mother and sister went into serious lockdown 1st week march, so much so that all RC masses (lol) are now televised daily, so more sermons & prayers than you can shake a stick at!, Roi smaller population and more compliant with Gov directives overall, you're just always going to have variations with such a large population in the UK, I would however say that message discipline has been not as good as it should be in the UK, lets just be thankful we're not under Trump.

Early to say if we're passed the peak, early to say anything to be fair - my Team is based Lux, UK, Nice, Sydney and they're all still in lockdown (except Syd) until for another month May 11th , RoI is now 5th May, I'd expect the UK to say 1st week in May at a minimum sometime later this week.

Back a few years ago, ROI took foot & mouth much more seriously and with a sense of urgency I recall, Uk looked (notice I say it looked) less so much to the detriment of some farmers. I think it's overall easier to get a smaller country of 4-5 mil to mobilise quicker than a country of 65 + mil ?

btw my office window used to look over 25R at heathrow!!!!, lol contracting in aviation I've picked another contract winner!! yay for me.......again ...... shoud'a'stayed-in-investment-w*nking-dooh

cheers

Barely

[LondonManc]

My cousin lives there and he got it.....

From his sister....

[BrilloPad]

This is the key for me - look how it's swept through New York, yet you can imagine Hicksville, Montana hardly being affected. If nobody comes into contact with "outsiders" there's nobody to introduce the infection. There's an over-amplified version of this in play on Sentinel Island in the Indian Ocean with an indigenous species who shun outside contact violently.

My cousin lives there and he got it.....

[LondonManc]

Some observations. I'm working as part of the Irish health system's COVID-19 response and I spent a long time working in the NHS previously.

1. Ireland started off with a significant disadvantage in terms of its health system. It is a good deal worse than the NHS.
2. Ireland has advantages when it comes to population density. Also, while Dublin is a highly internationally connected city, it is nowhere near London.
3. The Irish system's response has been similarly challenged in terms of testing and PPE.
4. The social restrictions be appear to be much better defined and organised in Ireland than in the UK.
5. If you compare RoI (334 deaths) vs NI (124 deaths) they are approximately proportionate for the populations, so it's hard to see from that that RoI measures are more effective than UK measures. But just as there is a large London cluster in the UK, there is a large Dublin cluster in Ireland. Probably difficult to sort through the noise and confounding factors.

This is the key for me - look how it's swept through New York, yet you can imagine Hicksville, Montana hardly being affected. If nobody comes into contact with "outsiders" there's nobody to introduce the infection. There's an over-amplified version of this in play on Sentinel Island in the Indian Ocean with an indigenous species who shun outside contact violently.

[Old Greg]

Stop talking down the UK

Confidence is critical. It would be easy to talk the country into a pandemic.

[BrilloPad]

Article on this today for those not easily triggered.

Why is coronavirus killing so many more people in the UK than in Ireland? | Elaine Doyle | Opinion | The Guardian

An alternative view from sky news earlier. UK was unlucky to get the virus earlier.

Not many are doing as well as Germany/South Korea.

[scooterscot]

Stop talking down the UK

[Old Greg]

Article on this today for those not easily triggered.

Why is coronavirus killing so many more people in the UK than in Ireland? | Elaine Doyle | Opinion | The Guardian

[AtW]

Even a developing country Iran is doing better than UK. its population is 80 million and corona related deaths are 5000

They shut down pubs real quick

[Old Greg]

Even a developing country Iran is doing better than UK. its population is 80 million and corona related deaths are 5000

I wouldn't have much faith in transparency in Iran.

[Andy2]

Even a developing country Iran is doing better than UK. its population is 80 million and corona related deaths are 5000

[Old Greg]

Some observations. I'm working as part of the Irish health system's COVID-19 response and I spent a long time working in the NHS previously.

1. Ireland started off with a significant disadvantage in terms of its health system. It is a good deal worse than the NHS.
2. Ireland has advantages when it comes to population density. Also, while Dublin is a highly internationally connected city, it is nowhere near London.
3. The Irish system's response has been similarly challenged in terms of testing and PPE.
4. The social restrictions be appear to be much better defined and organised in Ireland than in the UK.
5. If you compare RoI (334 deaths) vs NI (124 deaths) they are approximately proportionate for the populations, so it's hard to see from that that RoI measures are more effective than UK measures. But just as there is a large London cluster in the UK, there is a large Dublin cluster in Ireland. Probably difficult to sort through the noise and confounding factors.

[AtW]

Some sockies on this forum got real problem with respecting authorita