Reply to: Shamima Begum loses first stage of appeal against citizenship removal

[AtW]

So what you are saying is unintegrated Muslims pose a danger to UK citizens?

Obviously unintegrated disenfranchised people pose serious risks - does not matter if they are immigrants or local chavs.

[original PM]

Brainwashed by fanatics who were able to do so whilst she was in the UK, clearly failure of Govt who did about fook all to stop it until was too late, i mean who is responsible for preventing spread of damaging ideology - a teenager or duly elected Govt?

So what you are saying is unintegrated Muslims pose a danger to UK citizens?

[AtW]

Brainwashed by fanatics who were able to do so whilst she was in the UK, clearly failure of Govt who did about fook all to stop it until was too late, i mean who is responsible for preventing spread of damaging ideology - a teenager or duly elected Govt?

[original PM]

She was just a kid when she did it ffs, brainwashed HERE.

By whom?

White bread, Sun reading, gammon faced english people?

or another demographic we cannot talk negatively about?

We all know how we would greatly reduce the risk of these things but it flies in the face of all that the UK stands for.

[AtW]

She was just a kid when she did it ffs, brainwashed HERE.

[AtW]

Lucky as a daughter of a Bangladeshi mother she is entitled to that citizenship which IIRC she needs to apply for when she turns 21 and is no longer under the guise of her mother’s citizenship of that country.

So technically she is not stateless, but will he soon

She is stateless because she holds no other citizenship at this time.

I predict she will get big compensation from HMG for unlawful deprivation of her essential rights.

[SueEllen]

Lucky as a daughter of a Bangladeshi mother she is entitled to that citizenship which IIRC she needs to apply for when she turns 21 and is no longer under the guise of her mother’s citizenship of that country.

So technically she is not stateless, but will he soon

She needs to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship.

Now if you were the Bangladeshi government would you give it to her? Or would you be ensuring your laws meant she definitely can't have it? After all they did that to the Rohingya people.

[SimonMac]

Passport is just a travel document, renouncing citizenship is different and most states won’t allow it to happen unless the person proves they got another citizenship - this is to prevent stateless people, something Home Office cretin now achieved, solely for minute political gain.

ISIS was not a recognised state, so “joining” it had no legal meaning on a sense of citizenship.

Lucky as a daughter of a Bangladeshi mother she is entitled to that citizenship which IIRC she needs to apply for when she turns 21 and is no longer under the guise of her mother’s citizenship of that country.

So technically she is not stateless, but will he soon

[Paddy]

She wasn't stripped of citizenship on that basis, rather that she potentially could claim Bangladeshi citizenship.

Yes, I know that. Although she did not give up UK citizenship officially, she did so morally. Furthermore, the laws and protocols governing citizenship were made under the assumption that countries and combatants would to some degree obey laws and protocols. With the emergence of religious fanatics ruling rouge states, then I believe that the niceties and citizen privileges no longer apply. As Lawrence of Arabia said (in the movie) "No prisoners!".

[NotAllThere]

She joined ISIS at which time she volunteered to become an ISIS citizen and give up her British Passport.

She wasn't stripped of citizenship on that basis, rather that she potentially could claim Bangladeshi citizenship.

[fullyautomatix]

If ISIS hadn't been defeated she would be right now very busy in some beheadings. You cannot have the cake and eat it. She became a citizen of ISIS and took a gamble. That gamble has failed to deliver. Tough luck.

[LondonManc]

A lot of people born in the UK take things for granted

Like having laws designed to keep us safe?

She's declared herself against the Western way of life but wants its benefits anyway. Tough.

[AtW]

Hang on, we've got a Russian getting preachy about due process?

A lot of people born in the UK take things for granted

[LondonManc]

Passport is just a travel document, renouncing citizenship is different and most states won’t allow it to happen unless the person proves they got another citizenship - this is to prevent stateless people, something Home Office cretin now achieved, solely for minute political gain.

ISIS was not a recognised state, so “joining” it had no legal meaning on a sense of citizenship.

Hang on, we've got a Russian getting preachy about due process?

[LondonManc]

She joined ISIS at which time she volunteered to become an ISIS citizen and give up her British Passport.

I can just imagine family life. "Hard day at work dear?". "Yes, I had to chop off a dozen heads of those Christians.". ..." any new wives arrived today?" ... "Yes two new wives, they brought their toys. With them..."

"How are the kids?"
"Oh, you know, they blow up so quickly..."