Originally posted by malvolio
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Originally posted by wattaj View PostOnce again, this point has noting whatsoever to do with your original premise. This is a pattern of behaviour that you display across these boards.
Please stop jumping in with unnecessary and generally ill-informed opinion.
Yes, IPSE appear to be impotent at the moment, despite presenting, with other groups, a reasoned and fully researched case as to why this move is so stupid, not only economically but in its impact on workers rights in general. But since Bojo and The Saj clearly prefer to listen to HMT and HMRC, then we are all rather buggered.
Nuff said.
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostOf course I know the numbers are falling. But if you are a member, hanging on for another year would seem to be a sensible option right now, just in case this whole off-payroll bollocks goes tits up - which is quite likely IMHO - or agencies and clients start listening about how to work with outside-IR35 people properly, something that is starting to happen.
Please stop jumping in with unnecessary and generally ill-informed opinion.
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Originally posted by wattaj View PostOh dear, you are sooo out of the loop these days... IPSE membership is dropping, and it has been dropping for over three years. Ask around; people in the know know that I'd been watching that VERY closely over the years. No amount of "hey, let's go fish in that bigger pool over there" will change that without a major restructuring of the IPSE membership offering. A restructuring that IPSE would seem to be incapable to doing.
Now, as to whether anyone will be going to FTT as a result of these most recent changes to the market remains to be seen. But I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on that, or IPSE's ability to capitalise on that scenario.
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostI thought it was fairly obvious. They've diversified into a market of 5m potential members as opposed to 300k or so, and widened their services. The core business of tax protection remains in place, and will be useful when all those people who are outside but are now inside go the FTT in protest.
Perhaps you should lift your eyes above the parapet on occasion.
Now, as to whether anyone will be going to FTT as a result of these most recent changes to the market remains to be seen. But I wouldn't be pinning my hopes on that, or IPSE's ability to capitalise on that scenario.
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Originally posted by wattaj View PostHow so? Do enlighten oh great grey beard.
Perhaps you should lift your eyes above the parapet on occasion.
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Originally posted by SimonMac View PostIPSE are nothing like a union, Labour at least listens to the unions
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Originally posted by Cirrus View PostQuite right. Their job is to protect their own. The protectors of the working classes are the Labour Party. Unfortunately the working classes voted for the Loony Right, so they're on their own now. And no sympathy from me.
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Originally posted by woohoo View PostIPSE seem too comfortable, they have too much to lose if IR35 was scrapped. I could be wrong, perhaps they have diversified and don't need the threat of IR35 to keep the membership dues coming in.
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