Reply to: Petition against Car travel Tax!

[PAG]

Public transport is damn expensive .. sometimes car works out cheaper !

[Lucy]

It would take years of hard decisons and consistent policies to start sorting out the traffic problems and our system doesn't work that way. Our politicians only look a year ahead at most !

And silly English people put up with it.

The tube should be at least £6 in the mornings. Get the shoppers, tourists, grannys to come in later.

Sorted.

[DimPrawn]

If everyone moves to London, we don't need cars, we can all hop on the tube. Sorteeeeed.

[rootsnall]

I accept that, but the rush hour is now already three hours at each end of the day.

I believe this scheme will end in chaos. People trying new routes, which get gridlocked so the charges for those routes are bumped up, so people crowd onto other routes, then back to the original routes, etc, ad infinitum. At least people currently know what to expect everywhere.

I suggest HMG bite the bullet and look at the cause rather than put more sticking plasters over the symptoms. Suppose they did something to stabilize the number of road users (and not by taxing some out of existence to make room for the increases)? Then, if they build a few more trunk roads to relieve the existing pressures, those roads won't fill up within a year or two.

Taking a holistic view, the same solution could apply to the housing shortage too.

It would take years of hard decisons and consistent policies to start sorting out the traffic problems and our system doesn't work that way. Our politicians only look a year ahead at most !

[expat]

Ken puts up tube/train prices, oil companies and government force up the cost of driving -- so what are we supposed to do, walk?

No Mr Bond, I expect you to pay!

[wendigo100]

I'm not saying its the perfect solution especially with crap or non existent public transport but what else do you suggest. The theory is it'll spread the traffic out over a longer period by making some people go earlier or later or in some cases some people just won't make the journey at all.

I accept that, but the rush hour is now already three hours at each end of the day.

I believe this scheme will end in chaos. People trying new routes, which get gridlocked so the charges for those routes are bumped up, so people crowd onto other routes, then back to the original routes, etc, ad infinitum. At least people currently know what to expect everywhere.

I suggest HMG bite the bullet and look at the cause rather than put more sticking plasters over the symptoms. Suppose they did something to stabilize the number of road users (and not by taxing some out of existence to make room for the increases)? Then, if they build a few more trunk roads to relieve the existing pressures, those roads won't fill up within a year or two.

Taking a holistic view, the same solution could apply to the housing shortage too.

[rootsnall]

How is it going to do that? People still need to travel to work. If you price them off the M25 they'll clog up the minor roads.

I'm not saying its the perfect solution especially with crap or non existent public transport but what else do you suggest. The theory is it'll spread the traffic out over a longer period by making some people go earlier or later or in some cases some people just won't make the journey at all.

[Lucy]

When’s the next general election? Some of my mates who have been staunch red lefties in the past are telling me they are going to vote Tory next time around. NL.

Red (eeek !) or Blue makes no difference, the Tories want it too.

[wendigo100]

Its also the only way to possibly free up roads in peak hours in the absence of any joined up planning by the so called government.

How is it going to do that? People still need to travel to work. If you price them off the M25 they'll clog up the minor roads.

[gingerjedi]

That may be so, but the Tories want it too. Vote 'none of the above'

But cameron smokez dope so eez dan wit da kidz init

[Bagpuss]

And what was NL's response to a petition with over 1,250,000 signatures on it "uh... whatever... the public are stupid... we'll go ahead anyway" feckeing arrogant bastards, Its not that we don't recognise that there's a problem its just that we are sick the standard NL 'solution' of sticking yet another tax on us.

When’s the next general election? Some of my mates who have been staunch red lefties in the past are telling me they are going to vote Tory next time around. NL.

That may be so, but the Tories want it too. Vote 'none of the above'

[gingerjedi]

And what was NL's response to a petition with over 1,250,000 signatures on it "uh... whatever... the public are stupid... we'll go ahead anyway" feckeing arrogant bastards, Its not that we don't recognise that there's a problem its just that we are sick the standard NL 'solution' of sticking yet another tax on us.

When’s the next general election? Some of my mates who have been staunch red lefties in the past are telling me they are going to vote Tory next time around. NL.

[rootsnall]

Road pricing is here to stay, sign as many petitions as you like.

I agree. Its also the only way to possibly free up roads in peak hours in the absence of any joined up planning by the so called government. Once we started building out of town offices and industrial units without any attempt at providing public transport to them we were stuffed.

[ChimpMaster]

It was even on the news the other night - as in how many people had signed up to it etc.

[Lucy]

Road pricing is here to stay, sign as many petitions as you like.