Reply to: Cv porkies

[fiisch]

Well the saga continues. Had a phone interview last week. The guy is sub par but for some reason client is desperate to the point they want him in for face to face. Come Friday he pulled out and said he found somewhere else. Today got an email that he wants an interview if the position is still open. LOL what was this guy thinking???? Well the client is willing to have him in for the he'll of it but has reservations. Technically I don't think he is good enough but I can only advise the client when the time comes after the interview.

Messing about with the interview scheduling is recipe for disaster and doesn't bode well, but is it not preferable for an interviewer to start an interview without any pre-conceptions...?!

[Scorp1]

I think it's more the agencies who won't forward your cv if it is in their eyes not a 100% match as they don't have a clue in most cases. End clients most of the time know better

If your good at what you do and have a glowing CV you shouldn't really need LinkedIn. Never used it myself as I find agencies start contacting you past employers. Most linkedin are usually not up to date.

[Hobosapien]

You get what you pay for in general. Some clients, despite having junior, regular and senior permie roles, seem to think that there's just one type of contractor rather than green, seasoned and chancers.

Pick two: cheap, available, good.

[LondonManc]

To be fair, many of the same clients pick "market rates" out of the backend, refuse to budge and fail to ever place despite trying for 10 months.

If you can't get the quality for the rate, up it and steal someone. If you're not willing to compete, your only option is to hire someone suspect and hope they learn.

You get what you pay for in general. Some clients, despite having junior, regular and senior permie roles, seem to think that there's just one type of contractor rather than green, seasoned and chancers.

[fool]

Well the saga continues. Had a phone interview last week. The guy is sub par but for some reason client is desperate to the point they want him in for face to face. Come Friday he pulled out and said he found somewhere else. Today got an email that he wants an interview if the position is still open. LOL what was this guy thinking???? Well the client is willing to have him in for the he'll of it but has reservations. Technically I don't think he is good enough but I can only advise the client when the time comes after the interview.

To be fair, many of the same clients pick "market rates" out of the backend, refuse to budge and fail to ever place despite trying for 10 months.

If you can't get the quality for the rate, up it and steal someone. If you're not willing to compete, your only option is to hire someone suspect and hope they learn.

[cosmic]

Well the saga continues. Had a phone interview last week. The guy is sub par but for some reason client is desperate to the point they want him in for face to face. Come Friday he pulled out and said he found somewhere else. Today got an email that he wants an interview if the position is still open. LOL what was this guy thinking???? Well the client is willing to have him in for the he'll of it but has reservations. Technically I don't think he is good enough but I can only advise the client when the time comes after the interview.

[psychocandy]

It's partly encouraged by ultra-picky clients who insist on 100% coverage of their sometimes ridiculously long and specific required skill set.

If a candidate knows damn well they are a pretty much perfect fit for a contract, but one obviously marginal and easy to master skill is missing, it's very tempting and often successful to pop that onto a CV customised for that client

"Van driver wanted - must have experience of driving red vans"

[SueEllen]

I think it's more the agencies who won't forward your cv if it is in their eyes not a 100% match as they don't have a clue in most cases. End clients most of the time know better

I find it's half a dozen of one and half a dozen of the other.

Lots of roles I do don't exist in the traditional sense and I find older recruitment agents and clients are aware they won't get an exact match, there as younger ones think they can.

[Eirikur]

It's partly encouraged by ultra-picky clients who insist on 100% coverage of their sometimes ridiculously long and specific required skill set.

If a candidate knows damn well they are a pretty much perfect fit for a contract, but one obviously marginal and easy to master skill is missing, it's very tempting and often successful to pop that onto a CV customised for that client

I think it's more the agencies who won't forward your cv if it is in their eyes not a 100% match as they don't have a clue in most cases. End clients most of the time know better

[OwlHoot]

Very true. Some contractors put skills onto their CV without any knowledge of those subjects at all. And the blagging they do when questioned in interview about it can be pitiful.

A little bit of exaggeration is probably a good thing, because it keeps them on their toes. But when they turn that into blatant lies, it is no use to anyone.

Now, Just got to get back to my work as Google's chief search algorithm architect, before I prepare for my next role designing the next CERN particle accelerator to be built encircling the entire country of Switzerland, and automated radiator bleeding system for sale to gladiators.

It's partly encouraged by ultra-picky clients who insist on 100% coverage of their sometimes ridiculously long and specific required skill set.

If a candidate knows damn well they are a pretty much perfect fit for a contract, but one obviously marginal and easy to master skill is missing, it's very tempting and often successful to pop that onto a CV customised for that client

[CoolCat]

Most of the market are outright liars I find.

I usually do a quick phone interview where I ask about the pros and cons of some tech and 90% of candidates can't even discuss it because they've had no exposure, let alone go into the detail of being the individual who researched and implemented the solution to a problem and understanding the whys of the solution.

This sweeps across the market, the quality of EAs, SAs, DevOps, and Devs are all highly suspect.

Correct

[fool]

Most of the market are outright liars I find.

I usually do a quick phone interview where I ask about the pros and cons of some tech and 90% of candidates can't even discuss it because they've had no exposure, let alone go into the detail of being the individual who researched and implemented the solution to a problem and understanding the whys of the solution.

This sweeps across the market, the quality of EAs, SAs, DevOps, and Devs are all highly suspect.

[Brussels Slumdog]

I know quite a few contractors,who have not updated their Linkedin for years,or are not on Linkedin.
I also see people still working for companies that are either canned the project,or went live ages ago.

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[northernladyuk]

Harder to lie on LinkedIn these days as I usually pick-up a bunch of permies during each gig, any exaggeration will be visible to them immediately.

As our lives get more connected it gets ever harder but people still try it on.

Done a fair bit of contractor recruiting myself and a faked CV usually stands out a mile, bad developers are often bad at almost everything else - including fiction.

The old man put Porkies on his CV, but the agent checked out his My Space profile and saw that it was the pigporn version, so no dice.

[CoolCat]

Been doing a round of cv checks for a job. The amount of lies people put on cv is crazy. The first thing I check is the person fit for the job, do they hold the right experience/ tech. I then check against linkedin. It's on LinkedIn where it's hard to lie that they get found out mostly. After that it's during interview.

I know of a contractor who has lied like no tomorrow and took credit for my work when I looked him up on LinkedIn, funny if I would come crossing paths in the future when he is looking for a contract.

Linkedin is funny because it reveals the nonsense a lot of people put on their CV’s, a fair number claiming things they did not do, indeed claiming to have done things that I actually did, and so on. I don’t use it myself in the way Linkedin want, I just use it for keeping in touch with old friends, and have a minimalist profile.
As for fakes, once worked on a big team and one of the poor performers was recognised by the big cheese as someone he had gone to uni with, they had both studied an art subject, but the poor performers CV said Computer Science, was funny watching him being challenged on telling porkies on his CV.
The CV’s of the people from the Indian outsourcers can be hilarious, but sadly people seem to believe them and they get hired by other companies (once they have gained indefinite leave to remain) and become another BS layer.
Shame all this goes on really.