Reply to: Why do people accept permie jobs?

[tim123]

Permies produce nothing, they do nothing - sometimes I think they are the smart ones they get paid for doing nothing beyind turning up, whereas we work our nuts off for what double or treble what they get paid for extending their social life.

You live in a different world to me (unfortunately)

tim

[el duder]

never.

I was out of work twice this year.

1st period was for 4 weeks. On the bench.

2nd period was for 6 weeks. On the bench.

I had 4 contracts this year, calculated my earnings this year, i averaged about 55k/58k

Been averaging over and above that for the past 4 years, and i've only just turned 30 and bought a brand new **** off footballers wives place in the country and a brand new car being made in a factory as i speak.

I would never go back to permieland.

[lukemg]

Why? Because we have to of course, otherwise I'd still be loadsa-kerching-ing it out there!

Still, can always go back there when I had enough here

Yep, sounds about right, when you are in demand and coining it, you can never see any chance you will go permie. However, IT can be a fickle mistress and it doesn't take much for your skills and experience to become obsolete or commodity and either way devalued. A few weeks of hearing only the howling wind and the sound of a lonely church bell in the distance, in response to applications and you start to reassess what work you will do and where.
Happened to me, went permie, scored some service management training and experience and I am back in the game but with one eye looking over my shoulder in case another boulder is coming.
Plan B + Evolve and you might survive. Tread water and you are toast.
HTH

[Shimano105]

Why? Because we have to of course, otherwise I'd still be loadsa-kerching-ing it out there!

Still, can always go back there when I had enough here

[DaveB]

Give me a reason.

Nothing is permanent in this life. Isn't a permanent job an absurdity by its own definition? Besides, it has a contract and therefore it's a contract job too. It's simply being paid less.

In a word - Free training ( ok, that's 2 words )

All the rest is icing on the cake - Pension, healthcare, redundancy, bonuses etc.

It's worth sticking a permie role for 2 years just to milk the training budget for all you can get, then move on.

[vista]

idelness

Give me a reason.

Nothing is permanent in this life. Isn't a permanent job an absurdity by its own definition? Besides, it has a contract and therefore it's a contract job too. It's simply being paid less.

Permies produce nothing, they do nothing - sometimes I think they are the smart ones they get paid for doing nothing beyind turning up, whereas we work our nuts off for what double or treble what they get paid for extending their social life.

permiedom = contractors-retirement

[SandyDown]

Supremo - I don't get it !! why would a husband give his wife a Xmas card?? is this an English custom? I understand about the birthday / Valentine and anniversary thing, but buying Xmas cards for your spouse?? do people also give cards for their kids too?

[SallyAnne]

I wanted some stability in my life while I divorced the wife.

Also, guess what the sick bitch did today! She sent me an Xmas card that I sent to her years ago!

FFS!

Was it the actual card? i.e. to remind you what you wrote inside it?

Or did she just buy an identical card?

[Ivor1]

[QUOTE=Francko]Give me a reason.

-More money
-Ability to claim discrimation for stress and get a £8mil payout.

[wendigo100]

The performance review is a lot more brutal too - the clients right to enforce instant termination not a chance to put errors right.

Absolutely! Black bag time!

[Swamp Thing]

I wanted some stability in my life while I divorced the wife.

Also, guess what the sick bitch did today! She sent me an Xmas card that I sent to her years ago!

FFS!

Yup, she doesn't want to let go. Always happens with wimmin at emotional times of the year like Xmas.

[Denny]

Wendigo but you should also consider the negative benefits of permiedom. I.e. expected overtime, office politics, expected ass-l1ck1ng, expected to become a manager, a clear idiot to give you a "performance" review, jealousy from colleagues paid less than you, feeling that you need to thank them anytime (for what???), etc. etc. In all a permanent job should be paid more to compensate really. Or is it just my contractor blood overwheelming me now?

Contractors suffer much the same, in my opinion. But I suppose it depends on what your field is.

I often work longer than standard hours for my daily fee, I smooze to the client to keep on their right side, permies are often jealous of my fee rate (not that I tell them what it is). The performance review is a lot more brutal too - the clients right to enforce instant termination not a chance to put errors right.

[Francko]

I'm not advocating permiedom, just saying that all the bens, including those that others have mentioned, can add up and make it worthwhile.

Wendigo but you should also consider the negative benefits of permiedom. I.e. expected overtime, office politics, expected ass-l1ck1ng, expected to become a manager, a clear idiot to give you a "performance" review, jealousy from colleagues paid less than you, feeling that you need to thank them anytime (for what???), etc. etc. In all a permanent job should be paid more to compensate really. Or is it just my contractor blood overwheelming me now?

[Lucy]

I wanted some stability in my life while I divorced the wife.

Also, guess what the sick bitch did today! She sent me an Xmas card that I sent to her years ago!

FFS!

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[Denny]

Insurance for sickness is too expensive if you want it to kick in for every flu or gutrot you wake up with. Ten days of short-term illness a year like that is worth a 4% increase on your contractor rate.

Holidays still have to be paid for - five weeks is equivalent to about a 10% increase on rate.

Your pension doesn't sound great, but I've been a contractor so long I don't know what the contributary market is now. My missus gets more than 4%, although that's in the public sector where money grows on trees.

I'm not advocating permiedom, just saying that all the bens, including those that others have mentioned, can add up and make it worthwhile.

I agree. I don't think there is much difference between contractor fee and a good salary plus benefits with their added security of continuity of income. I don't see that permiedom is worse than being a contractor, if that's how you wish to earn your living.

Contracting is about lifestyle choices not about higher earnings. Contractors are more likely to be time rich than money rich if they manage their commercial relationships properly with end-clients and allow themselves enough time off in the year to enjoy their profits.