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[AtW]

What's in common between West and Jog On?

They are both .....

[northernladyuk]

What's the big deal?

You have a bee in your bonnet about anti-vaxxers or just trying to use it to discredit ZH on the assumption that people questioning certain types of vaccines are all conspiracy nutjobs?

I don't really follow the whole vaccine thing but I know that big pharma runs on bottom line profits. Have you been to America? Everyone's on medication for something...

This is the big deal.




It never discusses the unfairness of Wakefield apparent expulsion as a doctor in the UK. It never talks about question regarding those who persecuted Wakefield.

[AtW]

If only there was a vaccine from idiots - big pharma would make a killing!

ZH would be predictably against it - they would not want to lose their main audience!

[Jog On]

A world they based on reality. Not all world views are equally valid. Have you looked at your sites' vaccination stories?

So Trump may have asked both Wakefield and Kennedy to provide him formal input on vaccines. Wakefield in particular is anathema to vaccine partisans. They’ve done everything they can to kill him and his career short of outright murder.

Kennedy is just as bad from their point of view. Kennedy has been after thimerosal, which is still supposedly a vaccine additive, and one he says can do a great deal of damage. This Daily Beast article claims Kennedy is confused and making charges that don’t exist.

Why does Kennedy also persist? The article asks. The answer is the same: Conspiracy.

But the article never follows up on the so-called conspiracy. It never discusses the summary of test results years ago that supposedly confirmed autism’s prevalence that were never made public.

It never discusses the unfairness of Wakefield apparent expulsion as a doctor in the UK. It never talks about question regarding those who persecuted Wakefield.

It talks about a conspiracy but never discusses specific charges. This is because in part discussing such charges would inevitably involve dealing with specific evidence. Such evidence is at least a good deal more gray than these articles suggest.

The article concludes by saying Donald Trump is a lucky man and can avail himself of the best advisors the vaccine community has to offer. But all the names the article offers up are pro-vaccine.

Donald Trump himself is not anti-vaccine. He has questions about massive vaccine doses being mandated at a young age. Such doses, he believes along with others, may be causing reactions in certain children including autism. He apparently believes parent should have a choice about vaccines.

Conclusion: They are surely not such bad ideas. And worth investigating.

What's the big deal?

You have a bee in your bonnet about anti-vaxxers or just trying to use it to discredit ZH on the assumption that people questioning certain types of vaccines are all conspiracy nutjobs?

I don't really follow the whole vaccine thing but I know that big pharma runs on bottom line profits. Have you been to America? Everyone's on medication for something...

[northernladyuk]

FTFY

A world they based on reality. Not all world views are equally valid. Have you looked at your sites' vaccination stories?

[Jog On]

No. You are basing your arguments on anti my personal world view sites.

FTFY

[northernladyuk]

You started it. Fight fruit loops with fruit loops I say

No. You are basing your arguments on anti reality sites.

[northernladyuk]

Did you mean to quote a fruit loop conspiracy site? Vaccine skepticism is rooted in rational science, while vaccine zealotry is pushed under the “cult of scientism”

Of course zerohedge doesn't mind standing up for poor persecuted Dr Wakefield. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...nd-real-change

[Jog On]

Did you mean to quote a fruit loop conspiracy site? Vaccine skepticism is rooted in rational science, while vaccine zealotry is pushed under the “cult of scientism”

You started it. Fight fruit loops with fruit loops I say

[northernladyuk]

Don’t believe these news checkers that claim fake news is real

Did you mean to quote a fruit loop conspiracy site? Vaccine skepticism is rooted in rational science, while vaccine zealotry is pushed under the “cult of scientism”

[Jog On]

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

Don’t believe these news checkers that claim fake news is real

Media Bias Fact Check – The website MediaBiasFactCheck.com touts itself as being “the most comprehensive media bias resource in the Internet,” yet its founder, Dave Van Zandt from North Carolina, appears to have little or no background in journalism.

In fact, it’s unclear whether Van Zandt or his three unpaid volunteer assistants have any particular credentials that would qualify them to judge the accuracy or bias of news sources.

[northernladyuk]

That I agree with - but does that make it 'fake'? There are sites that have bias to the left of Jezza - are they not just as bad if being biased is bad?

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

[Jog On]

This is quite an interesting graphic - ZH not in there but probably in the same category as infowars:



I still enjoy it though - heavily biased yes - fake no (you're going to have to prove otherwise).

Ultimately we just look for what confirms our own biases/world view and reject what challenges them - in some cases resorting to childish insults and demanding to have the other person shut down/banned/censored.

I believe the MSM tells 'fake news' - which is why I look for alternative sources - including sites on the other side of the picture (eg. huffpost)...

[Jog On]

That has a bias to the right of Maggie

That I agree with - but does that make it 'fake'? There are sites that have bias to the left of Jezza - are they not just as bad if being biased is bad?

[WTFH]

The critique is that it is a fake news site.

That has a bias to the right of Maggie