Reply to: Army trying to appeal to snowflakes

[craig1]

Elite paratrooper and Royal Marine units could be merged | Daily Mail Online

That will not end well. By brother always made it very clear the paras biggest enemies were the RM.....

It's another idiot move from an idiot government who are driven by the Treasury and counting beans. The old saying that they know the cost of everything but the value of nothing applies very much when it comes to the military and the modern Tories.

You can just imagine Maggie Thatcher having a "quiet" word with them about their attitude.

[BrilloPad]

Elite paratrooper and Royal Marine units could be merged | Daily Mail Online

That will not end well. By brother always made it very clear the paras biggest enemies were the RM.....

[original PM]

Mates dad was in the Air force....

he/she is now his second mum.

and still in the air force.

[craig1]

Society is changing, but not all of it and not all at once, and least of all squaddie fodder.

Working class have traditionally been rather more conservative than the middle class. Women's rights, gay rights, LGBTQ+#f2§ activists are/have been primarily reasonably well of left wing activitists.

I think it was George Orwell who observed that the problem with the working class (so far as middle class marxists are concerned) is that they're so conservative.

There have always been a good few gay folk in the army. I think it's probably the uniform that does it for them and the units with ceremonial duties with their furry hats... When I was in, one lad in my squad was Elton John gay in private despite being one of those hovering at the special forces selection level of competence and fitness. We knew it, our immediate bosses knew it, it just didn't go on record because he'd have been sacked within days and therefore had to be hidden.

The intolerant folk like pretending that there are no gays in the army while the rest of us get on with them being just part of normal society but having to stay hidden from the troglodyte minority. Much like football really...

[NotAllThere]

It's all very well producing these adverts, once the intake realises that one of them is gay they will batter the crap out of him to the point it will effect squad morale.

There seems to be a belief that society is changing, it's not, the type of people that join up will pretty much always view homosexuals with complete suspicion and will, for example, refuse to shower with them.

Society is changing, but not all of it and not all at once, and least of all squaddie fodder.

Working class have traditionally been rather more conservative than the middle class. Women's rights, gay rights, LGBTQ+#f2§ activists are/have been primarily reasonably well of left wing activitists.

I think it was George Orwell who observed that the problem with the working class (so far as middle class marxists are concerned) is that they're so conservative.

[darmstadt]

I was listening to the discussion on Radio 2 about this, this week and it was quite interesting. One of the main problems in getting new recruits was due to the fact that the recruitment process was crap however that doesn't seem to have improved, at all. The Tories outsourced the DRS (Defence Recruitment Service) to Capita and since then there have been so many complaints because the system doesn't work...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/1...apita_drs_rpp/

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/th...equest.269029/

[BrilloPad]

What, they get taken over by Kraft, go back on their promises and shaft everyone?

I was thinking of trying to ween the Birmingham population off gin and onto chocolate. Of providing good working and living conditions for their workers.

However I take your comments about more recent times.....

[minestrone]

It's all very well producing these adverts, once the intake realises that one of them is gay they will batter the crap out of him to the point it will effect squad morale.

There seems to be a belief that society is changing, it's not, the type of people that join up will pretty much always view homosexuals with complete suspicion and will, for example, refuse to shower with them.

[original PM]

Meanwhile in Germany...

Excellent a german 'youth' army.

that went well last time..

[NotAllThere]

Regular CoE churchgoer.

A pity there aren't more quakers around. They *tend* to keep quiet about their beliefs and try to help people. Like Cadburys.

What, they get taken over by Kraft, go back on their promises and shaft everyone?

[BrilloPad]

Perhaps Brillo's friend was a Quaker. That'd do it.

Regular CoE churchgoer.

A pity there aren't more quakers around. They *tend* to keep quiet about their beliefs and try to help people. Like Cadburys.

[NotAllThere]

Perhaps Brillo's friend was a Quaker. That'd do it.

[craig1]

At university a friend was turned down for being a Christian. Though that was 1983.

Whereas I remember my mate in 1989 being jailed overnight for saying he was an atheist to the CO before a Sunday church parade we had during an adventure training fortnight away. Being a committed Christian in the army was not at all harmful to your career and actually opened at least as many doors as the right type of squared away handshake could do.

[BrilloPad]

Times headline today "Army defends appeal to gays and Muslims". Well, that'll work well...

At university a friend was turned down for being a Christian. Though that was 1983.

[NotAllThere]

Times headline today "Army defends appeal to gays and Muslims". Well, that'll work well...