Reply to: More police sexism

[vetran]

the attrition rate does seem rather low, but police are not superhumans, they have not got the numbers to solve crimes.
The number of detective is pretty low it seems, and they are burdened with cases. However it cant be an excuse to prosecute innocents so that your stats look good.
'Why I quit my dream job as a police detective' - BBC News

It will be interesting stats to know, the number cases handled per detective(current as well as historical).

My limited experience is that they seem to have no systemic approach to crimes and fail to implement best practice. With a volume like this you have to plan.

I was on jury service and a not dissimilar case was halted because they had again failed to review the electronic communications among other significant but simple procedural failures.

[woohoo]

Do you have a source for this?

Just the words of the barrister that searched the 40k texts. Sobering read.

Can’t remember her name, and to my shame the article was in the dm.

[fatboyslim]

very useful thanks. 58% is more sensible. Not sure why the attrition rate is so low but I suspect Burglary and car crime have similar levels. So basically the Police are crap.

the attrition rate does seem rather low, but police are not superhumans, they have not got the numbers to solve crimes.
The number of detective is pretty low it seems, and they are burdened with cases. However it cant be an excuse to prosecute innocents so that your stats look good.
'Why I quit my dream job as a police detective' - BBC News

It will be interesting stats to know, the number cases handled per detective(current as well as historical).

[vetran]

yes, and your point is?
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nviction-rates



seems its not that low, and inline with other reported crimes.

very useful thanks. 58% is more sensible. Not sure why the attrition rate is so low but I suspect Burglary and car crime have similar levels. So basically the Police are crap.

[BrilloPad]

But I very much doubt this sort of thing only applies to rape cases.

Agreed very strongly. Police are evil.

[fatboyslim]

Yeah whatever.

You are aware of the rate of conviction?

yes, and your point is?
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nviction-rates

yes its 6-10%


which is tulip.

Now why do you think complaining that the conviction rate is poor when lying scumbags are trying to bury innocent people is helping your cause?


I am all for prosecuting the guilty, but it appears the CPS couldn't find their elbows with sat nav! Atack the muppets!!!!

seems its not that low, and inline with other reported crimes.

[mudskipper]

Also, there does seem to be a lowering of the bar with sexual assault to make up for years of poor conviction rates.

Do you have a source for this?

[woohoo]

Interesting views here (albeit US). https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/

An good point is that "False accusers almost never tell stories that could, by any stretch of the imagination, be seen as an innocent misunderstanding" - if you were vindictively accusing someone of rape, your story is not going to leave room for interpretation.

In this case, the police were very wrong to withhold evidence that did not support their views. But I very much doubt this sort of thing only applies to rape cases.

It applies to other crimes to but as I said if you are accused of rape and your name is released then that stigma will stick with you for life .

Also, there does seem to be a lowering of the bar with sexual assault to make up for years of poor conviction rates.

[mudskipper]

Interesting views here (albeit US). https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/

An good point is that "False accusers almost never tell stories that could, by any stretch of the imagination, be seen as an innocent misunderstanding" - if you were vindictively accusing someone of rape, your story is not going to leave room for interpretation.

In this case, the police were very wrong to withhold evidence that did not support their views. But I very much doubt this sort of thing only applies to rape cases.

[woohoo]

More police sexism

Reading up on this one of the issues is if a women makes a false allegation it’s very hard for her to take it back. She can’t just go into the station and say I was having a hard time, she will get prosecuted.

Also need anonymity for the accused, regardless if the case is dropped there is still huge stigma and I doubt these men recover.

Finally, it seems according to one barrister that the police are trying to make up for years of poor conviction rates by assuming guilt and not investigating properly.

But as it’s an issue that affects men nothing will be done.

[BrilloPad]

Yeah whatever.

You are aware of the rate of conviction?

Any suggestions for how to improve it?

BTW I don't really care about the stats. I care far more about the huge number of men getting away with criminal, immoral offences. Which they are.

Do all dates have to be recorded? Are chaperones needed?

[vetran]

Yeah whatever.

You are aware of the rate of conviction?

yes its 6-10%


which is tulip.

Now why do you think complaining that the conviction rate is poor when lying scumbags are trying to bury innocent people is helping your cause?


I am all for prosecuting the guilty, but it appears the CPS couldn't find their elbows with sat nav! Atack the muppets!!!!

[SueEllen]

I hope the dude gets compensated for this, and action taken against people who overlooked the evidence. As society we decided to lower the bar(in terms of evidence required to prove somebody guilty of this kind of crime), it needs to go back to a higher level, commensurate to the level of punishment it attracts.

Yeah whatever.

You are aware of the rate of conviction?

[BR14]

I disagree.

oh! - right

[fatboyslim]

I hope the dude gets compensated for this, and action taken against people who overlooked the evidence. As society we decided to lower the bar(in terms of evidence required to prove somebody guilty of this kind of crime), it needs to go back to a higher level, commensurate to the level of punishment it attracts.